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[ND1991]

For MTTs what is a good return?
How often should you be cashing?
How often should you be making final tables?
How often should you be winning?

I felt this was pretty good, but now I am not entirely sure. Comments appreciated.

So I was looking through my stats. Here are my results in Doyle's Wednesday night $25 + $2.50 9:30PM tournament

09/23 : 322 entrants : 234 : top 72.67% : no cash

10/07 : 424 entrants : 134 : top 31.60% : no cash
10/14 : 406 entrants : 004 : top 00.99% : $751.10 (final table)
10/21 : 376 entrants : 049 : top 13.03% : $37.60
10/28 : 318 entrants : 045 : top 14.15% : $34.98
11/04 : 407 entrants : 162 : top 39.80% : no cash
11/11 : 438 entrants : 055 : top 12.56% : $33.94
11/18 : 449 entrants : 435 : top 96.88% : no cash
11/25 : 677 entrants : 532 : top 78.58% : no cash
12/02 : 636 entrants : 069 : top 10.85% : $39.75

12/30 : 535 entrants : 119 : top 22.24% : no cash
01/06 : 518 entrants : 343 : top 66.22% : no cash

02/17 : 485 entrants : 319 : top 65.77% : no cash

03/03 : 482 entrants : 081 : top 16.80% : no cash

03/24 : 368 entrants : 127 : top 34.51% : no cash
03/31 : 450 entrants : 391 : top 86.89% : no cash
04/07 : 451 entrants : 198 : top 43.90% : no cash
04/14 : 723 entrants : 107 : top 14.80% : $30.73 (free entry)

06/02 : 304 entrants : 088 : top 28.95% : no cash
06/09 : 256 entrants : 097 : top 37.89% : no cash
06/17 : 280 entrants : 009 : top 03.21% : $143.50 (final table)
06/23 : 234 entrants : 187 : top 79.91% : no cash

07/07 : 246 entrants : 173 : top 70.33% : no cash
07/14 : 267 entrants : 042 : top 15.73% : $29.37
07/21 : 294 entrants : 026 : top 08.84% : $49.24

Overall in this tournament:
24 paid entries ($660.00) and 1 free entry
9 cashes ($1177.71) including 2 final tables 4th ($751.10) and 9th ($143.50)

Gross winnings: $1177.71
Net winnings: $517.71

Take away and the fourth place finish and this goes from okay/good to bad I think.

Curious thoughts on what a "good player" could have expected as far as results go?

If I were grading myself, I would give it a B- (slightly above average).

As always feedback and comments welcome.

[Poker Orifice]

It's a small sample size but personally I'd give it an A+.
It's not uncommon for even the very best MTT players to go for long stretches with no cashes.
The very best MTT regs. will usually have an ITM of between 9-12% (nowhere near as high as you'll see many of the micro players having).

Decent Return - any ROI above 0% imo. Over a large sample size (1,000+ mtts), above 40% is great, 20% is decent (imo).
Frequency of cashing - depends on number of entrants.. typically in micros ~20-25% is not uncommon for the winning micro buyin players... in higher buyins see above (9-12%)
Final Tables - depends upon the number of entrants
Winning - who knows? I've never taken 1st in a large field tourney (1,000+ players). I've had a handful of final tables. Not sure what the expectation is for actual wins though?? (in fields of 1,000+ players).

[Dan Abnormal]

Youve cashed more than once every 3x you play it. (I guess I need to never play it again since I made $56 + refund the one time I played it). What is very noticable is that drop in people playing this tourny as when I played it only had 250 some people, and I see a few of yours have over 600 people which has got to make it a lot harder.

I bet that $750 cash though still is a motavator to keep playing it. I thought the tournny was pretty fun even though its a high buy in and no bounties every hit my table. The bounty people should be moving targets and have their tables switched every 5 hands as Caro and Russian Chick Bbrunson were at the same table for a long period of time when I played

Wonder what was so special in APril that over 700 people entered. I know I think different than most I see it as youve gotten to play all those Weds for Free + put ove $500 in your pocket. So it looks pretty good but those dry spells must really suck at $27.50 a pop. Id be pleased, that 4 month dry spell would be hard to keep playing it but then again you dont really know if was you or the power that be

[pirates831]

Is this the bounty tournament Doyle runs every week? I played it years ago when it was $50+ $5 and knocked out Nikki Hilton for $500. It was awesome. I outflopped her with AJ against her QQ - ironically, called the Hilton sisters by some. I didn't go very far, but $500 for what amounted to a freeroll was a sweet payoff. Doyle refunds your entry fee the first time you play - at least he did back then. I would have folded the AJ but figured it was a $500 hand - let's take a chance.