A very disappointing bubble hand.

[beanfacekilla]

I was so short stacked. I was getting str8 garbage for like an hour. Then, I get dealt QQ. Yaaaaaay.....

Bodog - |<> NL - Holdem - 6 players
UTG: 10,002.50
Hero (MP): 720.00
CO: 19,204.00
BTN: 2,180.00
SB: 42,741.00
BB: 2,015.00
BTN posts ante 75.00, SB posts ante 75.00, BB posts ante 75.00, UTG posts ante 75.00, Hero posts ante 75.00, CO posts ante 75.00, SB posts SB 300.00, BB posts BB 600.00
Pre Flop: (1350.00) Hero has Qd Qc
fold, Hero raises to 645.00 and is all-in, fold, fold, SB calls 345.00, BB calls 45.00
Flop: (2385.00, 3 players) 9h Td 8s
SB bets 600.00, fold
Turn: (2385.00, 2 players) Kh
River: (2385.00, 2 players) 4d
Hero shows Qd Qc (One Pair, Queens) (PreFlop 57%, Flop 77%, Turn 14%)
SB shows Ad Ks (One Pair, Kings) (PreFlop 43%, Flop 23%, Turn 86%)
SB wins 2,385.00

19th place (the bubble). Total letdown. Seems when I am short stacked, I get a good hand, but it is never good enough. Being card dead is the worst thing that can happen at a table full of loose luckboxes. Of course, the caller here had A-K, and that is an easy call. I say loose luckboxes because of all the observations leading up to this. Peace.

[Dan Abnormal]

Yea i hate that, getting nothing worthwhile for a long time and then the minute you do, its like an invitation for disaster. Some folks on here preach the less than 10bb rule push rule with less than ideal cards is the way to go and I agree and dont agree. But i have been in your situation too many times when Im like DAMN I could of just played some other crazy hand and got that kind of results. So I find it hard myself to push all in with a marginally hand if Im slowly getting eaten away, ANd really doesnt help that someone with 40K more chips was the one staying in the hand. He really had nothing to lose by folding. Looks like your doing pretty good over in Bodog land. Id come play some with ya if I hadnt cashed out most of my money as now Im really limited in where I can money onto. Id try your prepaid visa thing you mentioned (I got flamed on this last time) I dont know if its a state to state thing but 2 different prepaid Visas have already failed on me and I dont know if the one you mentioned will work in FLorida. For example, I friend of mine has a green dot that works in seattle but in Florida they do not work or could be fact that its a new issued card, so its just weird

[Assistanc3]

This maybe weird to hear but I would fold the QQ having a strong feeling your going to be up against 2 other players. In all honesty I would even fold aces here. Surprised the CO even looked at their cards and folded, with 19k should be a snap call to get everyone else in behind to call and check the hand down and bust the bubble.

[johnb48065]

Dude that suck. Every time the bubble comes you grind and grind. With no cards comming what do you do??? I would do the same thing. QQ's look real nice at that point. Being the bubble boy sucks!!!

[Logan]

Bodog - |<> NL - Holdem - 6 players
UTG: 10,002.50
Hero (MP): 720.00
CO: 19,204.00
BTN: 2,180.00
SB: 42,741.00
BB: 2,015.00
SB 300.00/BB 600.00/ante 75.00 SB wins 2,385.00

Unless you get a beat that let you down with this amount of chips, you NEVER should be this down in chips compared to others. You don´t have any fold equity, you have only 1 BB left. At this point your cards no matter any more and you will get beat most of the time because will get several callers when decide to play. And if is the bubble im surprise a player take other out of the hand because mostly will get 2 or more callers and all checking to the end just to team up and take the bubble player out.

You should not wait that long to take a hand, even if you win this hand you will have only 2 rounds again to need to go in. So is better to take chances than this.

[beanfacekilla]

Bodog - |<> NL - Holdem - 6 players
UTG: 10,002.50
Hero (MP): 720.00
CO: 19,204.00
BTN: 2,180.00
SB: 42,741.00
BB: 2,015.00
SB 300.00/BB 600.00/ante 75.00 SB wins 2,385.00

Unless you get a beat that let you down with this amount of chips, you NEVER should be this down in chips compared to others. You don´t have any fold equity, you have only 1 BB left. At this point your cards no matter any more and you will get beat most of the time because will get several callers when decide to play. And if is the bubble im surprise a player take other out of the hand because mostly will get 2 or more callers and all checking to the end just to team up and take the bubble player out.

You should not wait that long to take a hand, even if you win this hand you will have only 2 rounds again to need to go in. So is better to take chances than this.

Yes of course I agree with you here. I was just getting really bad cards, 2-6, 7-2, 9-3, etc. And I was just trying to make it to the bubble, as there were about 3 or 4 in almost as bad shape as me. I knew they wouldn't hold anyways, but I was hoping. I will heed your advice in the future though. Thanx, and peace.

[Poker Orifice]

First off. "yes.. unfortunate'
Secondly, "I would NEVER EVER EVER EVER fold QQ here!" Would someone actually fold QQ & hope the bubble busts before they're hit by the blinds?
ATC is priced in to call here! Actually, if you had like 4-5bb's it'd be close for atc to call here.

As far as the suggestions go here (above) that they should be calling & checking it down to elminate you on the bubble.. I TOTALLY DISAGREE!!!
If I'm that bigstack there, I'm likely folding & PRAYING your hand holds up vs. BB This is just such an IDEAL situation for a bigger stack to be raping the bubble that why anyone would want to bust the shorty is beyond me? (there's just wayyyyy more benefit to keeping them alive, where you'll be able to keep applying pressure & accumulating a TON of chips... compared to if the bubble pops & the short-'ish' stacks will be moving in & we won't be able raise light anymore because we'll be priced in to call).

[Poker Orifice]

This maybe weird to hear but I would fold the QQ having a strong feeling your going to be up against 2 other players. In all honesty I would even fold aces here. Surprised the CO even looked at their cards and folded, with 19k should be a snap call to get everyone else in behind to call and check the hand down and bust the bubble.

I'm being nice here... I have some constructive comments/questions to ask here.
What benefit to us is it IF we are the huge stack to have the shortstack bust the bubble here? (please inform me cuz I just don't see it??).

We're foldling QQ here in this spot? Because we fear we'll be up against two hands? (what's wrong with being up vs. two hands while holding QQ?). You would actually fold AA here too? How can we do this when we'll be blinded off shortly? (Dont' we believe that the other tables & other players will be watching the situation closely & will know it's just a matter of folding & watching the shorty blind off in no time.. AND.. knowing that the bigger stacks will (should) be taking full advantage of this fact... & knowing that others who have a fair stack will be folding out big hands in many cases.

Today I was in a tourney and we had actually just popped the bubble but 5th only paid out $10 (& buyin was $11.. first was over $100 top5 paid). I got it in ahead while sitting in 2nd.. & was then left with 1.5bb's after posting SB. Typically I should be getting it in w atc 'but' I chose to fold (for different reasons than the scenario above). For one.. I didn't hold "QQ".. I had 84o (if I held any pr I would've got it in.. and anything in top30%-ish). BUT in the game I was in, aside from one large chipleader who had ~20bb+.. and now another one (who got my chips) the other two both had ~8bb's & I felt that there might be a good chance that within the next two hands they'd be willing to gamble. Two hands later, UTG shoves.. I fold utg1, SB shoves.. BB calls.. 3 of them allin. Biggest stack with QQ held up.. & I moved up into 3rd spot.
Having such a small stack when I was in SB, even if I did get it in & win the hand, there wasn't much of a guar. that I'd even move up the money ladder (maybe, but I'd have to win a couple of flips & would need hands to at least flip with, lol) 'but' if I held anything close to a premium hand, the chips would be in without question.

[Assistanc3]

First off. "yes.. unfortunate'
Secondly, "I would NEVER EVER EVER EVER fold QQ here!" Would someone actually fold QQ & hope the bubble busts before they're hit by the blinds?

yes I believe I said I would

it is fine if you disagree that big stacks call and check down to eliminate players on the bubble
you might be unaware of how often it does happen, it being the right or wrong move is moot

Being card dead is the worst thing that can happen at a table full of loose luckboxes