Ever fold a good hand because some donk went all in and another one called?

[tmoney3581]

This happend to me earlier today I had pocket 5s witch really isnt that great of a hand but it was better than the crap I folded to. I raised with them tho and someone reraised all in and someone else called so I folded and when they showed there cards I was so pissed I coulda threw my computer the one who reraised all in had J 9 and the one who called before me had Q 5 and he won with a pair of 5s on the river

[nb1961]

As I understand it stories like this don't always work. There are generally 2 types of random number generator/shuffle programs used by poker rooms. FullTilt use a system of continuous shuffle so every players action effects what cards are dealt. For example if you wait 2 seconds instead of 1 you will get different cards. So if you stayed in the hand different cards would fall therefore two 9's may have come on the board and you would have lost, who knows.

The other system "Pre-shuffled as used by PokerStars is more like real life and the shuffle is fixed once the hand starts in that case you would have won.

From your hand description you made the right decisions to fold on the information you had. After that don't worry what happened, getting annoyed by it only puts you off your game and causes tilt.

[Alnoble]

We would all be winners with hindsight.

If you make a decision to fold be happy with it even if it's apparently wrong at the time.

It's the end result that matters not one hand otherwise next time you have a similar hand you may be tempted to call and lose.

[FATAL V3N0M]

It's just another hand. Don't be upset, 55 is too weak to stress over. Studying betting patterns of players can give you an idea of what they may be holding, but beware that hands such as Q7o still have a 50% chance of crushing the hopes and dreams of 55. NEVER obligate all your chips to a pot PREFLOP holding less than JJ unless you can put your opponent(s) on weak hands based on their BETTING PATTERNS. If you just sat in and havn't quite got a beat on your opponents betting patterns, have some patience and lay down those Tens if forced all in, most of the time you'll be happy you did. Remember it's just a pair, nothing more. Although it might turn into somthing more with only a 12% chance of hitting a set on the flop. Even then the card used to make your set could make a straight or flush for someone else at the flop, turn or river requiring you to hit the fourth ten which has probably already been discarded or make a full house by pairing the board both of which put the odds AGAINST you. My suggestion is if and only if it is cheap try to catch a flop with your pair. If the cards are clustered (795, hhc), whether you have a set or not, DO NOT GET TOO OBLIGATED. Online poker rooms are notorious for pitting set v straight-draw or flush-draw against each other. Note that it is easier for them to hit their straight or flush draw than it is for you to catch a boat (full house) or four of a kind. Hopfully this helps you to be humble when you HAVE to fold the hand that would have made you.

[Poker Orifice]

As I understand it stories like this don't always work. There are generally 2 types of random number generator/shuffle programs used by poker rooms. FullTilt use a system of continuous shuffle so every players action effects what cards are dealt. For example if you wait 2 seconds instead of 1 you will get different cards. So if you stayed in the hand different cards would fall therefore two 9's may have come on the board and you would have lost, who knows.

The other system "Pre-shuffled as used by PokerStars is more like real life and the shuffle is fixed once the hand starts in that case you would have won.

From your hand description you made the right decisions to fold on the information you had. After that don't worry what happened, getting annoyed by it only puts you off your game and causes tilt.

Exactly what they said ^^

your decision preflop based upon the circumstances & info. you had was more than likely the correct one (obv)... so no need to watch results that 'would have'... or 'if only'.

[Peteyweestro]

This has been some good advice, because i know that i have folded hands that i really wanted to play because others went all in or shoved a mountain of chips in to the pot so i would rather be cautious then out.Like they also said, i have seen a gazillion times how someone with a good pair up to and including pocket A's get beat because they went all in pre flop while some loose player called them and the flop was all bunched and the loose guy just so happened to have the 2 cards to make the straight.It is unreal how often it happens in online poker

[zzzzisme]

on a daily basis, im looking to win the last hand, as tempting as a pot would be, i would fold very premium hands in a multiway all in

[Slimmm]

One of the first things I read from an actual poker pro was “Don’t be the third guy all in unless you’ve got a really strong hand” If one donk goes all in and another one calls him (this is particularly true at the beginning of tournaments) the likelihood that you will hit a winning hand from rags (or even a small pocket pair) against two guys who most likely have stronger hole cards is minimal. Let it go and wait for your next opportunity. Poker is a game of strategy and patience. Stress the word patience.

[Terminal Frost]

FullTilt use a system of continuous shuffle so every players action effects what cards are dealt. For example if you wait 2 seconds instead of 1 you will get different cards. So if you stayed in the hand different cards would fall therefore two 9's may have come on the board and you would have lost, who knows.

The other system "Pre-shuffled as used by PokerStars is more like real life and the shuffle is fixed once the hand starts in that case you would have won.

I didn't see anything on FTP web site that indicates the actions of the players affect the shuffle even though, as you said, they do use continuous shuffle.

Pokerstars RNG on the other hand does use the actions of the players e.g. "mouse movements" as input to their RNG.

Also find it interesting that AP, Carbon, Cake, and Stars don't say on their website just when they shuffle.

Full Tilt:

The architecture of the Full Tilt Poker RNG consists of many layers, and each layer produces random sequences, guaranteeing a random card shuffle. As an extra level of security, the cards at Full Tilt Poker are obtained on an as-needed basis and decks are effectively re-shuffled just prior to a card being dealt. This means it is strictly impossible for anyone to predict future cards, because they are not determined until the instant they are required.

UB:

UltimateBet uses a card shuffling algorithm that shuffles the deck more thoroughly than any normal dealer ever could. The deck is shuffled 10 times before each game, with each shuffle moving each card somewhere between 1 and 51 times throughout the deck (10 passes at Knuth's full shuffle algorithm).

[nb1961]

I didn't see anything on FTP web site that indicates the actions of the players affect the shuffle even though, as you said, they do use continuous shuffle.



Full Tilt:

The architecture of the Full Tilt Poker RNG consists of many layers, and each layer produces random sequences, guaranteeing a random card shuffle. As an extra level of security, the cards at Full Tilt Poker are obtained on an as-needed basis and decks are effectively re-shuffled just prior to a card being dealt. This means it is strictly impossible for anyone to predict future cards, because they are not determined until the instant they are required.

This would be it here, if you leave your action 1 second longer the cards will have changed because the shuffle has continued.