Stop me calling all ins

[Poker Orifice]

I have done the same thing so many times right around the BUBBLE too. I almost feel like stuffing my hands in my pockets or do as many players do "SIT OUT". Because i remember one example so clearly it still bugs me.!! I had the 3rd biggest Chip stack with only 13 players left Paying top 10. When i get dealt Pocket QQ,s. So i raise about 6XXBB to take the small stacks Blinds or hoping they call. But the button and only player at the table who could hurt me because of a Bigger Stack than mine Raises ALL IN. !! I think why would he do such a thing? He had been playing loose and as a Bully so I was miffed and called him out ALL IN. He only had Ace-10 off-suit but sure enough he hit the 3 Outer Ace and knocked me out of the tournament. I could have just folded too.
Rg

Villain was able to 'put you to the decision' though... and they knew your tourney-life was in jeopardy if you made the call (which would mean that you'd need a particularly good hand to call with here.... ESPECIALLY if there were some shortstacks still left.... in this case 'villain' made a good play imo (although AT is a bit on the wide side). The 6x raise preflop might also look like a hand that you don't particularly want action with, ie. alot of players will raise 4 or 5x with TT/JJ but stick to 2.5 or 3 with AA/KK). Maybe villain also realizes that you'll need QQ+ to make the call here???
Anytime I'm putting in a raise preflop (especially nearing the bubble, OR on the bubble of a SNG(STT)) I'm always looking ahead & considering what I will do dependent upon villain's actions. (in this hand I'd be more likely to raise 3x (or 2.5x depending upon size of blinds & how the table has been playing) AND I will know ahead of time what my intended action is 'IF' the CL plays back at me.
If I'm on a SNG bubble and CL is particularly aggressive & is smart enough to be taking advantage of a situation where there's a shortstack on the table, I will always consider that they might be pushing back at my raise. Sometimes I will just overshove preflop to counter this play by them... other times I will just min-raise... 'it depends'.

Part of the point I'm trying to make is: villain puts you to a tough decision.... where you want to be the one putting your opponent to a tough decision instead (if poss.).

[Elbarad]

Man PO... that was a very clearly written explaination that helped me alot.

Thank you.

[rgchan]

I don,t know what your smoking PO. ?? Who is Villain.? I never mentioned any player. As a Big Stack with QQ my intention was to raise enough to put the SB and BB ALL In if they called. That is why i raised 6XXBB to cover them. Or its my duty to at least take there Blinds.
I figured this clown may have been thinking(as you suggest) that I would be afraid to call because I would lose the tournament with only 3 places to go before the Cash.I read it right.I made the right call imo.Because I should have crippled him and I would have been far and away in 1st place and positioned well to WIN the tournament.I,m not afraid to make these calls.Don,t ever think that.!! There will always be plenty more tournaments.I would rather Win one than just finish in the money in 3 tournaments.ANd your the same frame of mind when you called my JJ,s ALL IN early in one tournament with just your Ace-Queen off to put your tournament life on the line drawing on me.But you didn,t know if i had AA,KK or AK. !! You knew for sure it would be a RACE at best.
My reply to the theme of this thread was to agree sometimes it is just better to fold and wait.Because you can really switch gears once in the money.
I hope that is explained ....
Rob

[Alnoble]

Wish I'd listened to all the advice in this thread last night on Bodog.

The first call against you RG with my KJ suited to your AK allin was I think reasonable. After the flop had lots of outs but missed every one. But It didn't put my tournament life on the line I still was well up the list.

But then next hand I raise my JJ for you to again go allin. What was I thinking calling you ? didn't think just said he's bullying with an Ace somthing and called only to see QQ against me. Hero to out in 2 hands.

This season you always appear to have the better hand when ever I go against you. Fortunatly that's not been too often but I think you've taken me out more than anyone else.

Still been good fun anyway.

[Poker Orifice]

Man PO... that was a very clearly written explaination that helped me alot.

Thank you.

Tks Elbarad.
Poster after you (rgchan) appears to not share your sentiments.
rgchan.... you seem to be taking this post personally. I am explaining a situation/tactic that is often used in late stage &/or bubble play, where MATHEMATICALLY speaking (+/-EV), 'HERO' cannot call (usually) with less than QQ+ (I'm not talking about whether or not a player has balls to call, etc.).
Also, when making reference to a hand, players in hand are often referred to as 'HERO',..and 'villain' (HERO being 'us', villian being our opponent (or potential opponent in the hand).
I feel you've somehow personalized my response and in all honesty I think you're missing out on what it offered.

[Poker Orifice]

PS, while playing on the table... emotions or personalizing a situation can be a HUGE leak.

[PLAYFUL1]

PLAYFUL SAYS ..ITS BUTTA 2 CRAWL INTO THE MONY THAN 2 BE BOOTED OUT B4 THE MONY ...LOL...

[rgchan]

Sorry and thanks for the advise PO. You explained it very well and I understood everything you said.And at the time of the situation I too thought he was stealing thinking I,d be afraid to call his ALL IN with 3 left to the final table.It was the way I read it too so I called that one.My Bet was based on the size of 2 Blinds stacks to Put them ALL IN.You went off track of the original thread which was its better to just Fold sometimes and wait til ITM.

Sorry Al. That was 2 very unlucky hands back to back. You were Big Stacked with like 5k and I thought you were playing a Big Stack game.Regardless I couldn,t fold either of the hands,However yes you could have folded the K-J hand and only lost the 400 bet i think it was.
Cheers Rg

[ennotserp]

Isn't it always the case when you have the big pair ,not AA, an Ace nothing calls and hits where as if you call a big pair with Ace nothing you miss.

Tend to agree with this since it just happened to me in two different S n G's on two different sites. LOL
But it's so damn hard not to call, even when you know you shouldn't = two mistakes.