Stop me calling all ins

[Alnoble]

It's like I have a suicide button and every so often I have to hit it resulting in out before the money.

Example 1.45 hours into a tournament. Started with 765 players down to 120 money at 78.

I've played well to this point and have $14000+ and chip leader on my table about 33rd overall (6 Seat Tables)

3 limpers against my BB I have A 10 so raise 3BB Get an all in across the table from me $7000+ for me to call. Third time this players gone allin on my BB previously folded. Don't think and call "Suicide button". He shows AA. down to $3000+

Next hand I pick up AQ and go all in to be called by AJ river is a J I'm gone at 119.

Why did I call ? I didn't need to. Alright I would have lost $2400 in chips but still plenty left, should have made the money easily.

I've got thick skin so all comments accepted

[kingmotan]

Why did I call ?

It all started here:

3 limpers against my BB I have A 10 so raise 3BB

Seriously man, you have to adjust your raising, it's just wrong.
Make it 3BB + 1BB/ limper. With that tiny bet you are just inducing allins and you DON"T want to call them with A10, which you shouldn't have raised it in the 1st place. Why play this crappy hand out of position against 3 ppl??
I keep seeing this on forums, people say I had AA in utg and raised 3BB like that would the perfect play and why the f didn't I win the hand??? It's no shame in trying to get max value from ur good hands. If you have a loose table (or limpers behind) don't hesitate to put in a bigger raise. I have a key just for that, I have the normal 3.5BB +1bb/limper for the normal pre flop raise and a 7BB key for when I have AA and KK and trust me, I get way more action than I would like, even with that raise. Now go to my tables and fk with me every time I put in a 7BB raise hahaha

[Ramster]

It all started here:
Seriously man, you have to adjust your raising, it's just wrong.
Make it 3BB + 1BB/ limper. With that tiny bet you are just inducing allins and you DON"T want to call them with A10, which you shouldn't have raised it in the 1st place. Why play this crappy hand out of position against 3 ppl??
I keep seeing this on forums, people say I had AA in utg and raised 3BB like that would the perfect play and why the f didn't I win the hand??? It's no shame in trying to get max value from ur good hands. If you have a loose table (or limpers behind) don't hesitate to put in a bigger raise. I have a key just for that, I have the normal 3.5BB +1bb/limper for the normal pre flop raise and a 7BB key for when I have AA and KK and trust me, I get way more action than I would like, even with that raise. Now go to my tables and fk with me every time I put in a 7BB raise hahaha

Can't add anything to that
well said sir

[Poker Orifice]

It all started here:
Seriously man, you have to adjust your raising, it's just wrong.
Make it 3BB + 1BB/ limper. With that tiny bet you are just inducing allins and you DON"T want to call them with A10, which you shouldn't have raised it in the 1st place. Why play this crappy hand out of position against 3 ppl??
I keep seeing this on forums, people say I had AA in utg and raised 3BB like that would the perfect play and why the f didn't I win the hand??? It's no shame in trying to get max value from ur good hands. If you have a loose table (or limpers behind) don't hesitate to put in a bigger raise. I have a key just for that, I have the normal 3.5BB +1bb/limper for the normal pre flop raise and a 7BB key for when I have AA and KK and trust me, I get way more action than I would like, even with that raise. Now go to my tables and fk with me every time I put in a 7BB raise hahaha

This must be in the micro buyin MTTs... altering one's raise size by raising HUGE with big prs. is SUPER EXPLOITABLE... ie. "anytime you're not raising HUGE preflop... I'll just 3-bet you preflop" (this is obviously working for you though.... playing in the micros I find it difficult.... trying to think along lines villain might be thinking is near impossible... ie. what I've often found in the past is.... villain sees your HUGE raise & figures/assumes you play similiarly to the way he does.. and of course a big raise = weak, lol (<< sad,... but I'm sure true for many of them).

As for OP... yah... you really don't want to raise up 3limpers only 3x,.. you're merely bloating up the pot (pricing them in to call),.. and then faced with a potential mult-way pot with a hand that plays terribly multi-way. Depending upon my stack size (the stack size of my opponents) in relation to the blinds,... and my read(s) on opponent(s), I will pretty much always just check here with the AT in BB (you risk zero more chips plus it disguises your hand).
It sounds like all of the stacks are pretty shallow (limper has <10bb?) even your own stack is only 17bb's (& if there's antes, your 'M' is low). Typically on a stack size of 14-22bb's, I'm looking for spots to re-steal/shove AND if I'm open-raising a pot, I will actually tighten up quite a bit & only do so with hands I'm willing to go all the way with (ie. investing say 2.5x to 3x pre & then firing a cbet is going to cost you anywhere from 1/3 to 1/2 your stack.... < that's far too much to toss away at this point). Solution.. look for loose/agg opponents who are stealing in LP and then just shove it allin over their raise (only time I'd consider flatting with a stack of that size would be when I'm last to act vs. one villain while on the blinds... w AA, KK, ... although if I was short & blinds were short, I might flat an LP raise while OTB in hopes of one of the blinds shoving over allin).
In this hand, with 3 limpers, if I'm planning on calling a raise (if re-raised) then why not just shove it allin to begin with? (obviously this would've been a bad spot.. & since then we've marked villain as being capable of limping AA in Late levels on <10bb's & even doing so on an obviously loose/passive table). In this hand, the pot is probably ~ = to 30% of your stack which is usually call for shoving it allin (obviously player read dependent).
As played, I think you actually have to call (unless you figure villain for AA limp/reraise allin). Would they limp a med.pr. on <10bb's,... if so you're getting good odds to call (but personally I hate the preflop raise).

This leads me to something else I'm going to touch on... stack sizes in MTT play. Most important factors being, what your own stack size is in relation to the blinds & the sizes of the other stacks on your table (this will dictate how to go about playing certain hands... but also player read dependent in some spots obviously). I'd say to be far less concerned with where your stack compares to the entire field... they're not on your table and it shouldn't affect what you're playing & how you're playing it (aside from bubble situation obviously, where you can potentially exploit those players who are looking to just cash).
On 10bb's or less (sometimes more than this,.. ie. 14bb's w antes involved), you're really only looking to get it allin preflop (ie. a raise & fold with 10bb's preflop is just soooooo bad .... although you'll still see it often So if you're going to raise & call reraise/shove.. why not just shove it allin to begin with? gives you more ways in which to win the hand. Some players will do this with most of their playable range but then will deviate from this while on monsters.. AA/KK,... this actually works vs. weak/rookie players who will play back &/or call,.. but against more experienced players, if you've already been open-shoving then when you wake up with AA/KK.. by all means shove again.
on 14-22bb's, this is a "re-steal" sized stack. This is the perfect sized stack to look for spots where you can shove it allin over an LP raise (&/or flatting or shoving with monsters... player read dependent). This stack size is too short to be looking to make typical blind steals as it'll deplete your stack too much if you're played back at & have to fold. On a resteal-sized stack I will actually be tightening up my range, looking to open pots with hands I'm prepared to take to war (go all the way with if I'm played back on).

Hope this helps.

[Alnoble]

A lot to take in on your reply PO. I do see what you are getting at. It was a $3 MTT on PKR, not as bad as PS for crazies. My mistake was as said raising in the first place. Had I checked I would have had less of reason not to fold.

Slowly but surely I'm learning from my mistakes. Sometimes it takes a while to sink in

Mind you just won the 4kp game on PKR so maybe they are sinking in.

[Poker Orifice]

I think you're doing great & your results are proof of it!!

Cool thing about poker.... there's always more to learn. Sometimes at first what may seem to be 'alot' gradually becomes a working part of one's intuitivie thought process. But then again, there are other days when it feels like nothing will work, nothing does work & one feels as if they know nothing, lol...'that's poker'.

[rgchan]

I have done the same thing so many times right around the BUBBLE too. I almost feel like stuffing my hands in my pockets or do as many players do "SIT OUT". Because i remember one example so clearly it still bugs me.!! I had the 3rd biggest Chip stack with only 13 players left Paying top 10. When i get dealt Pocket QQ,s. So i raise about 6XXBB to take the small stacks Blinds or hoping they call. But the button and only player at the table who could hurt me because of a Bigger Stack than mine Raises ALL IN. !! I think why would he do such a thing? He had been playing loose and as a Bully so I was miffed and called him out ALL IN. He only had Ace-10 off-suit but sure enough he hit the 3 Outer Ace and knocked me out of the tournament. I could have just folded too.
Rg

[Alnoble]

Isn't it always the case when you have the big pair ,not AA, an Ace nothing calls and hits where as if you call a big pair with Ace nothing you miss.

I find I'm folding more to all ins who have me out stacked especially pre flop and it's working for me. It can be frustrating if the big stack is acting the bully but usually someone else will call them down and reduce their stack for me.

[scrawnybob]

hi

I think youve probably figured out some different approaches from the other posts but IMHO one thing I find helps is ...

lesser of two evils

it might sound a bit like playing like a pussy but playing small ball and check / calling isnt so bad actually with these kind of drawing / tempting hands

look at it like this ... you raising A 10 in the blinds against 3 others isnt a good plan ... someone ISNT going to fold and the one that doesnt is almost certainly to have a dominating hand anything from 88 up

so you dont really want to be inducing action

if you can also limp either calling or checking in the blinds then see the flop that lets you get away cheap or win big on a diguised hand

with such a decent stack and near to the money I'm not saying shut down and crawl into the money - but there is no point getting crippled with those kind of tempting but dangerous hands ...

if folding preflop seems like a waste and raising really isnt wise ... play small ball and play your A game post flop ... which in fairness probably means folding too ;-)

cheers scrawnybob

[kingjames07]

did bob just say pussy????.......lol