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    Default Why full tilt cant be trusted!

    I was recently accused of committing collusion on full tilt poker because a friend and I played many tournaments together but did not ever cheat. We never used any tactics such as chip dumping to gain an advantage. We simply made side bets on who would finish higher because neither of us liked to play big stakes at the time (due to a lack of trust). We also played 18 people or more sit n gos at all times so that there was less chance we would get placed at the same table. We played together for about 5 months and were both negative profit sit and go players. I only profited in multi tournaments and cash games, which we never played together.

    Months after playing any sit and go's with my friend and after a recent good string of cash game sessions I had about 800 dollars in my account. Suddenly full tilt writes me and tells me without warning that my account has been permanantly closed due to collusion and they are keeping 800 dollars and refunding it to other players that were in the games. First of all, we never profited and that money was made in 100 percent cash games, and secondly nobody that played in the games with us ever received anything.

    They continue to send me generic email responses and do not even have a phone number to call that would explain to me the details of the case. A couple days later they told me that due to my refusal to end the conversation they placed a stop on a 150 dollar check that was recently sent to me.

    Its extremely unfortunate that such a large site can have such poor customer service and be so greedy. I urge players to avoid playing on full tilt unless you are able to somehow protect your funds because if you win a big tournament they are not liable to pay you and they wont.

    Ateamcrew

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    I here these things everyday, and yes FT has drastic support but I like that. They try to keep the site as clean as possible.
    18 man sngs? Really? I'm pretty sure FT did a throughout investigation before closing your accounts and analyzed a lot of HH.
    You bet with your friend on who would finish better? LOL . You think you're so smart, don't you? I'm pretty sure you played not one, not two but hundreds of SNG's with your friend! Amirite?
    Thing is honest people don't have anything to worry about because FT will not close their accounts if they don't do shady things like that.
    So go flip burgers for a month, get your roll back and deposit at Stars. I'm sure they will not ban you if you continue to Not collude with your friend

    Also, nice nick.. A team crew ...
    Sharkscope says "Access to statistics on this username has been disabled" wonder why..
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    I'm not able to judge this behaviour, but i think FTP usually tends to protect their players from troubles. I would probably wonder why this happen to me if i were you but FTP must have perform investigations before suspending your account, probably based on players queries.
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    In another order, i wonder why your last message was posted almost 4 years ago?
    I feel like many guys like you don't really need to be part of a poker forum, as they are not active, plus whenever they remember about the forum, they just come to complain about poker rooms? We had so much posts saying PS is rigged or FTP sucks that we would probably be able to have a dedicated forum about it.
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    Yeah sorry bro you're not gonna get a lot of sympathy from this crowd. We like being protected from possible collusion. And yeah a 3 table game is not exactly picking games where you wont see each other. I wonder if the US government were to regulate poker... if they would have a division to look at collusion. Sorry to get off topic, but blasting the poker rooms isn't my style.

    Good luck in the future in your fair endeavors.

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    Fuck off idiot....Obviously you didnt read my post I did not profit. Yes we maybe played 100. I disabled my stats on sharkscope bc they were bad and i was embarassed. Check me on tableratings.com they factor in cash games. We did not cheat. Yes we played probably 100 sit and gos together but i took pride in beating him not seeing him win. He was a losing sit and go player as well so that money which I made in the last week in cash games should not be taken. Ban my account fine but dont steal my money.

    Its pathetic that such a big site does not have a customer service number and constantly sends u automated response emails with no thought. ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS TELL ME THAT IT LOOKED UNETHICAL TO BE PLAYING WITH A FRIEND AND TO STOP AND I WOULD HAVE. WE HADNT PLAYED TOGETHER IN MONTHS THEY JUST WAITED FOR ME TO GET SOME MONEY THEN BANNED MY ACCOUNT. If you win big they are not liable to pay you I used to think they were...youll see.

    Ateamcrew (btw this is the name of my fishing boat not a poker crew)


    Quote Originally Posted by kingmotan View Post
    I here these things everyday, and yes FT has drastic support but I like that. They try to keep the site as clean as possible.
    18 man sngs? Really? I'm pretty sure FT did a throughout investigation before closing your accounts and analyzed a lot of HH.
    You bet with your friend on who would finish better? LOL . You think you're so smart, don't you? I'm pretty sure you played not one, not two but hundreds of SNG's with your friend! Amirite?
    Thing is honest people don't have anything to worry about because FT will not close their accounts if they don't do shady things like that.
    So go flip burgers for a month, get your roll back and deposit at Stars. I'm sure they will not ban you if you continue to Not collude with your friend

    Also, nice nick.. A team crew ...
    Sharkscope says "Access to statistics on this username has been disabled" wonder why..

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    I have 4kingpoker's bumper sticker on my car sorry for not talking more I just did not have anything important to say. I am not a colluder. Obviously if you look at my sit and go stats I do not profit and I am a successful live player I just play online for fun so if I was colluding I would be in the green in sit and gos and not the red. I have only won in cash games which even full tilt admits we never sat together.

    Thanks for the comments

    Ateam

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    hi

    hmm well its kind of going to be tricky - as sites can just rightly ban accounts for collusion or something that looks like it might be

    I know your saying you didnt collude but they also dont just ban accounts over nothing

    they also dont ban accounts just because you win money

    Ive cashed out plenty from most sites over the years (not so much in the last couple of years on FT) but they dont have anything to gain from cheating players

    without being able to see what happened where and when I dont think anyone is going to be able to get past it looking like collusion ... did your mate not profit ??

    they wont just overlook cheating just because the players still loose afiaks but I would strongly suggest you email them with more details in a polite manner

    definately getting pi**ed with them isnt going to get them to look at the situation with anything other than cold facts

    IF for example you and your mate used the same IP - they will pretty much terminate the accounts for that alone expecially if they were playing at the same time - let alone on same games

    the important thing is YOU might feel / know you haven't cheated but you have to see it from their POV they can only go on what facts they can see ... and 99.9% of they time this would mean cheating

    hope thats a help

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    assuming fulltilt truly believe u have colluded i think they should explain in complete detail as quoted previously they have to analyze hands and should inform u as to y they r certain u have cheated. If as u say u have in no way shape or form colluded then they obviously have no right to take ur money.

    But also whether u won or lost is irrelevent in the scenario if u have colluded it would mean u lost less money than u should of.

    if u honestly have not cheated i would ignore first couple of replies who have just assumed without any evidence u have cheated and shot u down in what is only a to common uncontrustive reply.


    Ps.just curious.....some1 has not posted for 4 years means what??? and pleaase explain how u come to this conclusion.

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    Nothing to do Bob. When Tilt decides they have to close ur account the decision is final. They don't care what you have to say because usually the evidence they have is more than solid to incriminate someone.
    Some ppl are lucky and are allowed to w/d the funds others just get no explanation.

    Didn't see your join date... Idk if u posted on 2+2 but there is a guy there that might be ur last chance. Search FTPDoug and PM him ur story
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    Yea thanks guys for all your replies. The lack of explanations was really what bothers me. I tried to get them to send me the facts of the case but they said they are not at liberty to discuss it with me. My mate did not profit either. Not only that but compared to the stakes I normally played by myself the tournaments we "colluded" were pennies compared to what I play on my own. The highest we ever played together was a 2 table 10 dollar s and g. Its just ironic how we have not played together for well over a month and suddenly when I turn a nice weekend profit playing cash games they shut down my account and offer little evidence or explanation.

    Yes we did play on the same IP address but full tilt knew that because they did not allow us to sit at the same cash table even if we wanted to. The reason we played on the same Ip is because we are both in college dorms and he lives a building away from me.

    Ateamcrew

    Quote Originally Posted by scrawnybob View Post
    hi

    hmm well its kind of going to be tricky - as sites can just rightly ban accounts for collusion or something that looks like it might be

    I know your saying you didnt collude but they also dont just ban accounts over nothing

    they also dont ban accounts just because you win money

    Ive cashed out plenty from most sites over the years (not so much in the last couple of years on FT) but they dont have anything to gain from cheating players

    without being able to see what happened where and when I dont think anyone is going to be able to get past it looking like collusion ... did your mate not profit ??

    they wont just overlook cheating just because the players still loose afiaks but I would strongly suggest you email them with more details in a polite manner

    definately getting pi**ed with them isnt going to get them to look at the situation with anything other than cold facts

    IF for example you and your mate used the same IP - they will pretty much terminate the accounts for that alone expecially if they were playing at the same time - let alone on same games

    the important thing is YOU might feel / know you haven't cheated but you have to see it from their POV they can only go on what facts they can see ... and 99.9% of they time this would mean cheating

    hope thats a help

    cheers scrawnybob

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