DOyou check your stats ? and what is good percentage flops seen and won

[toploader1]

in your stats you get a percentage of how many hands you see and how many you win what is a good percentage or average you can aim for if you get what i mean! thanks toploader1

[scrawnybob]

hi

I think you will get differing answers to this - you could say that you shouldn't be playing to see 50% to the flop

someone else could say only play 30% to the flop etc etc

but so much depends on your hands and the players at your table

eg.

at a table with a high 45%+ to see the flop rate popular logic is that it's a loose table ... so to win you play tight

on a low % to the flop table ... you should play loose

but thats really just a very general overview and not totally true - so much depends on micro mechanics of the game - individual players rather than table %

also if say you look at your stats and see alot of hands in one session being won on the flop / turn and another session going to the river - does this tell you anything ??

well yes and no - alot of this could have been down to you getting different cards but essentially playing them in the same way you did last Tuesday

The important thing is being able to play the right way at the right time - and picking tables / games which suite your play if your not able to change gears to well

the convensional wisedom is to play very tight aggressive - but if you end up becoming a rock (too tight) then you will NOT be a winning player - and you will most likely turn into a bitter moaner who never gets paid off for your big hands and gets wound up with bad beats

I'm not suggesting play crazy all the time - or ignore stats completely but simply once you have a solid tight aggressive base -

you have to get creative - you have to play more hands (importantly cheap hands) otherwise you wont get paid off on the big ones

I would have said - at a full table 3/10 hands is ok - but to be honest if I get a 6/7 drawing style hands in a round and I can see them cheaply then I can live with a 90% to the flop rate for a while - then a 10% rate for a while

the important thing is to really understand implied odds - if I see a guy raise 3-4 times the BB especially if he is early position

If I'm late position or button I'm going to call with any workable drawing hand - as I'm putting him on AA, KK, QQ, JJ etc

It's like a light flashing - he is saying

"I have a good hand and I'm going to play it whatever comes down"

78 suited of even off looks to have good potential and implied odds if the flop hits me - if not I'd get out

I'm not saying I'd always do that - because alot of the time it doesnt pay off on that hand - but it will in future - It gets players prepared to bet more and look at me like I'm a calling station or a fish

You will find players who absolutely do the game on pure maths - "you didnt have pot odds etc" now the thing is pot odds are straight maths - actually alot of the time they're actually wrong and aren't betting enough to push the drawing hands off they're pot odds

in Limit even implied odds are straight maths - you can work it out

in NL implied odds are anything from the min bet to adding up total chips of all players in the hand - this is where the feel comes in.

I would worry more about understanding the pot odds / implied odds and your outs in hands and the general makeup of the table

Stats are helpful - but you cant become a slave to them or have fixed rules in NL holdem IMHO

All that said - I DO check my % to the flop odds etc while I'm playing in a game - this way I can see how and where I'm changing gears or need to
that really is a useful check on your perception of how you think your playing

eg. if I think the hands have been fairly typical and I see I'm playing too loose / too tight or in danger of slow plays its useful



cheers scrawnybob

[toploader1]

just would like 2 say thanks 4 the info to scrawnybob very much appreiciated cheers

[scrawnybob]

hi

no worries - I tend to go off track when I get round to posting sorry if I ramble - hopefully there are some useful pointers or ideas to run with a develop into your game

cheers scrawnybob