Crazy Hand - Looking for Help/Assurance

[juancarmar]

I've been going crazy about this hand that happened less than 2 hours ago. It was the hand before the last hand we were gonna play. Been playing for about 8 hours straight, and i am down about 700,000 Bs.. I get dealt 4c 5c in middle position and i call the BB... 5/6 players do the same. flop comes 6s 8c Tc. I call 100k from the person on the SB, everyone folds but me and him. Turn is an Ace of Clubs, now... I figure right now I have the best hand and since we are playing pot limit i am not gonna raise because i wanna build the pot and see a river that dosnt pair the board or no other club. I finally act for about one minute and call 220k. ON the river there is a Qc, which gives a horrible board of 6s 8c Tc Ac Qc. HE bets 575k to put me ALL IN... after 4-5 minutes I fold, asked him if he would show, and he shows me J 6 off suit on red cards. I cant believe ive been bluffed out the best pot of the night for me, my biggest pot of the night, which not only would have put me up on the money i was losing, but if lost it wouldve made me owe the pitboss 575K more cause i was already on the Casino for the last 500k i had.

I cant get over not calling that bet, I thought he was trying to play some hand like maybe AK or AQ off with one of the 5 cards that beat me in that particular situation, I actually gave it a small, and probably wrong percentage of me being an 85% favorite before the river and once that card came out it through me off, and his bet was crazy, I was ready to check... but that bet killed my money. I couldve called and even up, or have to take another trip to the ATM.

Help me on the correct decision here( at the time thats what i thought i did), and your own thoughts about this hand that is driving me nuts. There were lots of other aspects that helped my decision, like how tight this person was playing, and the quality of cards he couldve had. I didnt have a right read, obviously, but i was thinking no one would bet into this without a good high card flush.

PS 5000 Bs= $1

thank You,

Juan

[mafalda34]

wow that was a hell of a bluff man !! well since u havent given us the pot numbers i cant realized if u were comitted there, but i think u almost was.

The only thing i can think about is that u should have raised on the turn when u hitted your hand, sometimes in boards like that one id prefer to win a decent pot on the turn than losing a big one on the river.

I think he read u prettty well there, but that was a maniac bluff, i mean he wasnt drawing at any time, well he escaped from that problem pretty well, but since he entered a big pot with nothing u know u can gamble with him afterwards.

Ive heard that in order to play good poker u should fold the best hand sometimes and maybe that was what happened to u.

[coopb2005]

The thing that bothers me the most is that you thought u had the best hand after that A of clubs came out. With 4 clubs on the board, that is pretty rare that the 5 of clubs would beat out any other club that someone called with. You should have raised the pot after the flop.

[juancarmar]

Hmm, the turn was the one that gave me the flush, the river put four clubs on the board, and yes I agree i shouldve perhaps moved all in on the turn, and he obviously would have folded, but then i sort of was trusting my read of a big over pair with mybe one club, and if that was the case i had him killed and i wanted to see how much money i was gonna get out of him when he checkd a blank in the river. The pot, after the turn was 570,000, I think. then he made it pot when the river came out, which would have been for everything I had. And I just wasnt sure if I was gonna do it. I think that there is such thing as "pot commited" when you think you have the best hand, if you are reluctant, then that brings things down a notch.

[scrawnybob]

hi

I think - I only read through quickly so you may have been pot committed anyway but it looks like you werent

IMHO you were right to fold

there are four to the flush - and any club over a 5 is going to beat you

its one of those hands where your flush is weak and so can get bluffed off it with him making the correct bet - doesnt matter what his cards are

I wouldnt feel like you made a bad fold

cheers scrawnybob

[coopb2005]

Originally Posted by juancarmar

Hmm, the turn was the one that gave me the flush, the river put four clubs on the board, and yes I agree i shouldve perhaps moved all in on the turn, and he obviously would have folded, but then i sort of was trusting my read of a big over pair with mybe one club, and if that was the case i had him killed and i wanted to see how much money i was gonna get out of him when he checkd a blank in the river. The pot, after the turn was 570,000, I think. then he made it pot when the river came out, which would have been for everything I had. And I just wasnt sure if I was gonna do it. I think that there is such thing as "pot commited" when you think you have the best hand, if you are reluctant, then that brings things down a notch.

By the way you are posting, I truly do not think you understand the hand. You should not have gone all-in after the turn. You should have folded then. You should have gone all-in or raised huge after the flop. That would have been the proper move. You had a very weak hand after that 4th club dropped, and if you didn't plan on calling after the river no matter what the card was you should have immediately folded.

[pommie61]

at the time u felt u made the right play .so it was the right play if you had not asked him to show your torment would be less.sometimes its better to fold and play on than call and go home,never beat yourself up over folding just move on to the next hand .good luck pommie.

[jeffsbabe]

I agree with pommie. You did the best you could with the info you had. Did you acutally see his cards or did he just tell you? If you didn't see them for yourself, was he telling the truth? Don't look back. You'll make up for it later.

[nightmoves44]

I think Id just went allin after the last club you needed showd up.I learned the hard way too,not to fold out low flushes.

[Shad]

It can be tough. I mean, you hit the hand you wanted, but you folded it. Things change throughout a hand, but for the most part you should know if you will be folding your made hand. It just wouldn't make sense to me to call with suited connectors, make your hand, then fold it.