Good laydown or not?

[gnk2727]

Full Tilt Poker Game #6431744334: $3 + $0.30 KO Sit & Go (48914075), Table 5 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:41:36 ET - 2008/05/15
Seat 1: JyNxBoY (2,675)
Seat 2: HTAZGranny (2,190)
Seat 3: havefun08 (4,115)
Seat 5: B_ickies (6,070)
Seat 6: mortarman07 (9,840)
Seat 7: opa2 (2,990)
Seat 8: Nick Rockwell (2,980)
Seat 9: acesfull1972 (3,135)
opa2 posts the small blind of 25
Nick Rockwell posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Nick Rockwell [8h Ks]
acesfull1972 folds
JyNxBoY calls 50
HTAZGranny folds
havefun08 calls 50
B_ickies folds
mortarman07 folds
opa2 calls 25
Nick Rockwell checks
*** FLOP *** [Kd Kh Qs]
opa2 checks
Nick Rockwell checks
JyNxBoY has 15 seconds left to act
JyNxBoY checks
havefun08 checks
*** TURN *** [Kd Kh Qs] [2s]
opa2 checks
Nick Rockwell bets 150
JyNxBoY calls 150
havefun08 calls 150
opa2 folds
*** RIVER *** [Kd Kh Qs 2s] [Ac]
Nick Rockwell bets 250
JyNxBoY raises to 500
havefun08 has 15 seconds left to act
havefun08 raises to 2,400
Nick Rockwell has 15 seconds left to act
Nick Rockwell has requested TIME
Nick Rockwell folds
JyNxBoY folds
Uncalled bet of 1,900 returned to havefun08
havefun08 mucks
havefun08 wins the pot (1,900)
The blinds are now 30/60
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,900 | Rake 0
Board: [Kd Kh Qs 2s Ac]
Seat 1: JyNxBoY folded on the River
Seat 2: HTAZGranny didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: havefun08 collected (1,900), mucked
Seat 5: B_ickies didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: mortarman07 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: opa2 (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 8: Nick Rockwell (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 9: acesfull1972 didn't bet (folded)

[youngwayne]

Probably not that bad....you only had what 200 invested in that pot. no since in calling there really. It is a $3.00 knockout though and play is usually pretty terrible in those so you might have been good, but I like the lay down if that makes you feel any better...lol

[GypsyTea]

[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Full Tilt Poker Game #6431744334: $3 + $0.30 KO Sit & Go (48914075), Table 5 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - [/font][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']21:41:36 ET - 2008/05/15[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Seat 1: JyNxBoY (2,675)[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Seat 2: HTAZGranny (2,190)[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Seat 3: havefun08 (4,115)[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Seat 5: B_ickies (6,070)[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Seat 6: mortarman07 (9,840)[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Seat 7: opa2 (2,990)[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Seat 8: Nick Rockwell (2,980)[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Seat 9: acesfull1972 (3,135)[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']opa2 posts the small blind of 25[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Nick Rockwell posts the big blind of 50[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']The button is in seat #6[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']*** HOLE CARDS ***[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Dealt to Nick Rockwell [8h Ks][/font][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']---------------[/font]à[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']BB[/font][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']acesfull1972 folds[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']JyNxBoY calls 50[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']HTAZGranny folds[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']havefun08 calls 50[/font][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']---------------------------[/font]à[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']UTG+3[/font]

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[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']B_ickies folds[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']mortarman07 folds[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']opa2 calls 25[/font][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']---------------------------------[/font]à[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']POT=200[/font]


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[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Nick Rockwell checks[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']*** FLOP *** [Kd Kh Qs][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']opa2 checks[/font]

[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Nick Rockwell checks[/font][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']------------[/font]à[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Your Hand KKKQ8..I would have bet 350 Why:- IMHO To see where I was and not to give pot odds for any one behind you to call with a drawing hand.[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Pot would be 550: No one can have quad Kings, you would get a reraise from QQ, a call from AA and you should of got a call but they may of re-raised from someone with KQ[/font]
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[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']JyNxBoY has 15 seconds left to act[/font]


[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']JyNxBoY checks[/font][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']------------------------------[/font]à[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] He could have a draw???[/font]
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[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']havefun08 checks[/font][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']--------------------------[/font]à[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] Villain---He could have a draw...If he had anything but a draw, would he slowroll pre turn??? [/font]
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[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']I wouldn’t, if he had a pocket pair would he raise to see where he was? I would! [/font]
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[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Plus If I had a hand here I would want money into the pot I may ( I do play this sometimes) put a small pot building bet in say around pot size to give you odds to call, I would have to of had KQ tho’ if I put a pot size bet in <sneaky smile>[/font]
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[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']*** TURN *** [Kd Kh Qs] [2s][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']opa2 checks[/font]
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[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Nick Rockwell bets 150[/font][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']----------------[/font]à[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] There’s an old pro saying and it’s this:- [/font]
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[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']IN HOLDEM NEVER BET INTO A DRY POT AT THE TURN: WHY??? Because someone always has outs at the turn and if you give them pot odds for the draw at the river they usually take them!!![/font]


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[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']JyNxBoY calls 150[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']havefun08 calls 150[/font][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']-------I think they both have Ax or one of them has Qx[/font]

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[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']opa2 folds[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']*** RIVER *** [Kd Kh Qs 2s] [Ac][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Nick Rockwell bets 250[/font]


[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']JyNxBoY raises to 500[/font][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']---------------------[/font]à[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] I think he bluffed the ACE and has a queen![/font]

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[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']havefun08 has 15 seconds left to act[/font]


[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']havefun08 raises to 2,400[/font][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']---------------[/font]à[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] Possible hands from the way he played it: TJ, AA, A /high kicker, he bets ¾ of his stack I going for he had a Broadway ST8 on the river........[/font]

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[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Nick Rockwell has 15 seconds left to act[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Nick Rockwell has requested TIME[/font]

[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Nick Rockwell folds[/font][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']---------------------[/font]à[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] GOOD FOLD but I think you played the flop wrong mate.[/font]

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[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']JyNxBoY folds[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Uncalled bet of 1,900 returned to havefun08[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']havefun08 mucks[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']havefun08 wins the pot (1,900)[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']The blinds are now 30/60[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']*** SUMMARY ***[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Total pot 1,900 | Rake 0[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Board: [Kd Kh Qs 2s Ac][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Seat 1: JyNxBoY folded on the River[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Seat 2: HTAZGranny didn't bet (folded)[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Seat 3: havefun08 collected (1,900), mucked[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Seat 5: B_ickies didn't bet (folded)[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Seat 6: mortarman07 (button) didn't bet (folded)[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Seat 7: opa2 (small blind) folded on the Turn[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Seat 8: Nick Rockwell (big blind) folded on the River[/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Seat 9: acesfull1972 didn't bet (folded)[/font]


Get back to me Mate Please that's the way I see it, but I have been up all night...Good Fold
Best Regards

Gypsy

BTW If he had AA I am sure he would of pre flop raised so after re reading the hand I sure he had a broadway St8 on the river.....

[gnk2727]

Yeah GT I was pretty sure he made a straight on the river. I gave him too much odds to stay in the hand. Ive been having that problem lately, either I bet too much and get no value from the hand because everyone folds, or I dont bet enough and I think this was the case and someone makes the nuts on the river.

It was such a tough laydown though, Im not sure how I managed it. I was sick for almost 30 minutes after the hand. While I do think it was a good laydown I also think I should have called......and or played that hand much more agressively........

Thanks again for the analysis.....

[GypsyTea]

Originally Posted by gnk1221

Yeah GT I was pretty sure he made a straight on the river. I gave him too much odds to stay in the hand. Ive been having that problem lately, either I bet too much and get no value from the hand because everyone folds, or I dont bet enough and I think this was the case and someone makes the nuts on the river.

It was such a tough laydown though, Im not sure how I managed it. I was sick for almost 30 minutes after the hand. While I do think it was a good laydown I also think I should have called......and or played that hand much more agressively........

Thanks again for the analysis.....

Ive been having that problem lately, either I bet too much and get no value from the hand because everyone folds, or I dont bet enough and I think this was the case and someone makes the nuts on the river."gnk1221"

I started to find this in computer play, that is one of the reason's I gave up playing on a computer. I think its "OUR" fault if there is a fault in any of it, and Not the computer poker servers fault. Why?

Well I honestly think the better the player, the more "THAT" player outthinks him self.
Trust me gnk You My friend are a VERY strong Player!

Some times we can't believe ( and Bob hit on this in a different post) That other players do not play as complicated as "We Do" and there's no disrespect meant here to "The Other Players" They just do not know the finer nuances of someone who is a long standing student of a type of poker game, its LOST on them. There are NO doubts about computer play to a holdem player it will send you crackers.

How many times do you see written ITS A DIFFERENT GAME? You hear and see it "many many times."

It was easy for me to vegetate in front of a computer and play 20 games at a time % betting and turning over the bucks, I had to call it a day, It meant NOTHING to me after a while, I had to get out and mix it with real people, nuts and bolts poker.

I don't care about the money now I care deeply about final tables ( no one wants to run off at the mouth, and look like a Red Neck) I am so proud that in May ( its now the 16th of May) I have made 3 final tables in live play, I never got that BUZZ playing the odd EPT live event and computer poker every night as I do with live nuts and bolts, and the moneys far smaller.

I have so many real life conversations about all sorts of stuff. It's like I have been re born.

Why dont you start a local poker club, playing live home games and take it from there We are all get stressed out with computer play its bad for us.

Best regards

GT

[jeffsbabe]

You probably did the right thing by folding, but I know how hard it was.

[willie beaman]

Not as hard a fold as it may seem. With so little invested, if your opponent has a weak kings also, it's a chopped pot. Chances are though, you are beat. Even if you don't think so, it wasn't worth putting your whole stack on the line to find out. Nice, disciplined play.