like most hands, it all depends on what position u are in, but for KK I personally have allways liked to either make a big raise or go all in, because someone will most likely call with a Ace and i would not like them to limp in preflop and see a ace on the flop, because that makes me sick.
I totally disagree.
If you go all in with KK the chances are someone with an A will call.
If an Ace does hit the flop and you've called all in, then what ? You cant ask for your chips back..
I raise 5-6 times the BB pre flop, and then will raise the size of the pot if no Ace hits the flop. If an Ace hits then its a minimum raise. The only time I will raise all in after the flop is when I've hit the set and I think someone will call, or if theres a flush or straight draw on show and I want to kill the hand right there. Otherwise I will not commit everything until I know for sure I have the absolute best hand on offer.
That way if someone does have an Ace I can back out of it. They perhaps could be bluffing representing the Ace but am I going to risk my entire stack to find out ? Am I heck.
The only time I will put my entire stack in with KK is if someone before me forces me into it and even then knowledge of that player will dictate what I should do. If hes ultra tight and suddenly raises all in before me then I am very very suspicious hes got pocket rockets, and I will lay it down... If hes loose as heck then its an instant call...
Last edited by iveyslovechild; 08-10-2008 at 03:40 AM.
well thats not the way i play kk, i either play it, or i dont play it, i prefer playing it pre flop because u have better odds, he has 3 outs to hit in 5 cards, for the ace that is, and thats even saying if he has a ace he could have a high pocket pair or something, personally experience calling or just small raise with k/k is not the way to play it, just my thought on it.
Hey folks,
how do you play pair of kings in tournaments??
Live and Computer.
KK v AA = Kings are a 4 to 1 undog.
KK v "Any other hand, the pocket Kings are a 2 to 1 to a 3 to 1 fav depending.
So Mr Poker God how do I play KK and what affects the way I play them?<r>
1. Your Position on the table.
2. You chip stack and your "M"
3. The other players chip stack and their "M"
4. Your read on other players.
5. What Flops in the 1st 3 community cards.
6. How much the buy-in is.
So Mathematically The more chips you have the more chips you should raise pre flop, depending on how many chips every other player has, depends on the calls or raises you will recive from your raise.
I am now going to suggest that the range of hands that should re-raise are going to be AA, AKs,A-rag suited and possible QQ,JJ,TT in a late position, depending on the other players "M"<therfor> any LOW "M" figure is going to either call or re-raise with any pocket pair or suited connector. The Only hand you dont want to see is AA with a player who has the same or more chips THAN YOU ( a larger M )
Now if I am UTG or a early mid position, and a low stack, and I paid over $2500usd for the buy-in, I would FOLD!
If I am in a late position or chiped up or I paid less than $2500 for the buy-in I raise 4 to 7 times the BB pre-flop and call any re-raise, and try to out play a player with a squeeze play or a check re-raise post flop depending on the texture of the flop.Also paying attention to try and NOT give them pot odds to call with a draw with My bet!
For every KK you play you are going to lose 1 in 7.
Now if I am UTG or a early mid position, and a low stack, and I paid over $2500usd for the buy-in, I would FOLD!
I agree with jacks about this point.
If you paid 2500, then you can afford that and you cannot play timidly because the amount of the buyin. I'm not saying that you must play it like a freeroll, but fold KK UTG is in my opinion a very very bad choice (the worst one in fact).
You said "low stack", lets see...
If low stack is 1 to 7-8 BB, is an instant allin, or you will fold waiting for a BETTER hand in the blinds or a bluff with garbage from the button or cut-off???
If you have 8 to 12 BB, you can even limp and see the action after you, and decide push allin or fold if too many players in the action, or you can directly push strong and if you have bad luck and find another player with AA, or a player calling a strong raise with A something and hitting the A, you made the right move because you have a strong hand and you cannot simply fold the second hand in holdem without at least try to see if someone show some strengh.
you once wrote that you might fold AA from utg and now it's about kings.
so my qestion: are the cards different/ have different values when you pay 100$ buy-in or 2500$ buy-in?
there are not many combinations better than these two in your hand,
please explain.
Hi Jacks and All,
OK I am thinking laterally and from experience here:-
I find the sorter stack I have NO matter what players have I GET CALLED.
Two weeks ago I had KK UTG (live) I paid £500.00 for the buy in and 4 hours into the tournament I am in troubble with a "M" of 7.3. I do not give a toss about the £20K prize, but I do want the 1st place and the Cup! Why No idea I have to get on the final table or I sluk, I bully, I get really nasty, and this is in a £5.00 or a £500,000 tournay I do not give a shit I HAVE TO WIN! Its a kink I have in my head that most of the time I can control. anyway....
KK I go ALLIN UTG thinking "I got you bastards by the bollocks" ( a feeling I love, some thing to do with Endorphines and being THE MASTER of the PLANET)
To cut a long story sort I get called with A3o, J5s, 88...The J5s hit the club flush! I am now walking to the bar with out talking to any one, and trust me I AM IN A MOOD!
NOW:- I have gone over and over this hand, every night since this event and Quite honestly I think I would of been better off Folding the UTG KK and waiting to doubble up in a late position picking my time with some rubbish Ace rag with one caller!
ITS all about POSITION and YOUR CHIP STACK.
4Me...I am playing TEN high level chess games ( 10 seat table) Simultaneously, its better to play late position small bet poker when you are small stacked with ONE OPPONENT.
I understand your reasoning behind folding KK UTG in the prescribed situation, but here surely this cannot be the best thing to do.
OK to get 3 callers (J5s I assume must be the big blind) is not an ideal situation, however this has to be the worst case scenario and you ARE STILL 46% to win the hand and get your stack back to 30Ms and be in a great situation.
You say that you would would rather push in LP with Ax. So presumably you are taking on one of the blinds who will double you up - but even if you get a loose call Ax is likely only to be 57% against a hand such as J8.
So you are saying that you would rather be 57% to double up than be 46% to quadruple up?
Also as you can only survive 7 more orbits you may not be lucky enough to pick up any kind of hand and end up pushing with trash and still being a 46% dog to only double up.
I'm no poker expert like yourself, but surely KK UTG is EXACTLY what you are looking for here with an M of 7 (that will decrease further when you have to pay the blinds next hand).
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Position is logical Answer Spock !
K
v A
A
= Kings are a 4 to 1 undog.
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