how does this happen

tjizzle3526 · #1 (**permalink**) 08-06-2008, 05:44 AM

ok im playing a tourny with 200 people. im doing ok, there are 19 people left and and i have about 7k in chips. the blinds are 100/200. i get dealt pocket k's and one guy(who has about 5k) raises to 600. i just call wanting to play it a bit safe. everyone else folds. the flop comes
Js 5d 9h, he bets another 600. at this point i want to take the pot so i go all in and take my shot. he calls instantly only to turn A 2 of spades.

are you kidding me is this guy just ready to go to bed or what. i mean i am baffled to see his cards. why in the hell would he make this call against an all-in bet!!! oh well i guess this dumbass just helped me out a bit since after word ill be in third in the chip count. then the inevitable happens and he hit runner runner spades to get the nutt flush draw. the fact that i got beat though isn't what bothers me, i mean a simple ace would've given him the win. what i want to know is if any of you can think of a reason for him to make this call. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i cant get over it lolol. the worst part is i am one who respects a bad beat thats part of the game and why i love it. in fact if you look i posted earlier about a beat that i got a good kick out of. this is just to much to take though

killerpot · #2 (**permalink**) 08-06-2008, 06:41 AM

Yeah that was a very bad call was it a free roll or real money game?

tjizzle3526 · #3 (**permalink**) 08-06-2008, 08:00 PM

it was a free roll witch may explain it, but we were not far away from making a good 6 bucks or so.

iveyslovechild · #4 (**permalink**) 08-07-2008, 01:16 PM

Freeroll rule number 1 - expect the unexpected..

I would have played the hand very differently.

Firstly, I would have raised his initial bet. That is an alarm bell call to him to say you have a monster hand. It is then down to him. If he calls then you know hes got something playable. You can then tread carefully.

Secondly, after the flop I would have raised at most the size of the pot. With his hand he could do nothing but call. His 600 bet was merely a tester to see if you had hit. You raised him all in which suggested you were trying to steal as opposed to having something.

Then once the spades start turning over I would automatically be cautious and ready to lay it down.

By the river if this pattern continued there were three spades on the board PANIC... Hes been flat calling all the way so with you hes clearly playing for draws. Time for you to bale out.

The thing is you committed your entire stack too early with no way out. If you'd raised the pot you;d still have chips and a chance to get out...

Poker Orifice · #5 (**permalink**) 08-08-2008, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tjizzle3526

ok im playing a tourny with 200 people. im doing ok, there are 19 people left and and i have about 7k in chips. the blinds are 100/200. i get dealt pocket k's and one guy(who has about 5k) raises to 600. i just call wanting to play it a bit safe. everyone else folds. the flop comes
Js 5d 9h, he bets another 600. at this point i want to take the pot so i go all in and take my shot. he calls instantly only to turn A 2 of spades.

are you kidding me is this guy just ready to go to bed or what. i mean i am baffled to see his cards. why in the hell would he make this call against an all-in bet!!! oh well i guess this dumbass just helped me out a bit since after word ill be in third in the chip count. then the inevitable happens and he hit runner runner spades to get the nutt flush draw. the fact that i got beat though isn't what bothers me, i mean a simple ace would've given him the win. what i want to know is if any of you can think of a reason for him to make this call. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i cant get over it lolol. the worst part is i am one who respects a bad beat thats part of the game and why i love it. in fact if you look i posted earlier about a beat that i got a good kick out of. this is just to much to take though

Okay,.. in my honest opinion.. he's an idiot.. BUT I think you played it poorly (IMO,.. way differently from how I would've played it).
Okay so I don't know what position you're sitting in on table?? but sounds like it's not the blinds cuz you state 'everyone folds'.
By only flatcalling his raise, you're basically INVITING other hands to come in,.. giving them odds to make a call. This is not what you want to do period!
Also noticed that you said "I just call, wanting to play it a bit safe" but then you shoved all your chips in on the flop,.. how is that safe? (maybe a 'scared bet' in hopes of not getting called and maybe this is how the idiot perceived it,.. also it is common for novices to shove it allin on flop in a pure bluff and quite often will get looked up when they do it (if they had strong,.. why wouldn't they be wanting to 'massage the pot' and actually win something with their strong hand??.. .therefore the flop shove can look potentially weak.. still no excuse for the donk to call with his retarded hand mind you).
IMO (again), I always want to be the aggressor (most cases,.. this one FOR SURE). I'm raising her instantly 'pre-flop'. If he's raised it up 3xbb,.. I'm now raising it up 3x his bet (3x3xbb),.. I desperately want to keep out A-rag, or A-Xs hands from calling and want to do my best to keep this pot heads up preferably. Raising a raiser with a high pkt. pair preflop is a standard play.
Many advantages for being the raiser and aggressor. ie. say you only had AK and missed the flop,.. a continuation bet might still take it down (if it works 1 in3 then it's a +EV play for you).
I REALLY don't like the pre-flop 'flat-call' here with other players yet to act. Sorry if that's where I've placed my focus on in this example, instead of focusing on the morons call on the flop to your allin shove.
How many placed in the $$,.. was the bubble just popped here? Only reason I see the guy calling is as I said earlier, the 'allin' flop shove could be taken as a huge sign of weakness (with a strong hand, aren't you wanting to get his chips into the pot,.. but to bet out enough so that a drawing hand is making the wrong play by calling??).
Last tip,... take his name down and try to find what games he's playing and hope to get on their table again as they sound like they're a real donater.

nightmoves44 · #6 (**permalink**) 08-08-2008, 05:45 PM

Look,anytime you get close to the money you must be xtra careful.This is the time you consider folding AA,KK,QQ.Its usually a trap.Ultimatebet has done this to me so many time I very rarely play there.Plus you having 7k so late in the game is not many chips.I would not have played kk here,with a guy pushing.I would have waited til the money or pushed earlier in the game to have alot of chips or bust.Sounds like you were in bad desperate position.

tjizzle3526 · #7 (**permalink**) 08-08-2008, 08:07 PM

ok ok ok i realize i might of played it a bit badly,but that isnt the point or the question. my question is how can you in any position, in any game, at any time call an all-in bet and put yourself at risk with absolutely nothing. if he would of had AA or maybe a set or even a draw i wouldnt be upset at all. as you all pointed out i played it bad and if thats what he had i deserved to lose and thats fair enough. my point is once again how do you call with absolutely nothing.

NUCKING_FUTS_4 · #8 (**permalink**) 08-08-2008, 08:20 PM

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Many advantages for being the raiser and aggressor. ie. say you only had AK and missed the flop,.. a continuation bet might still take it down (if it works 1 in3 then it's a +EV play for you).

yep, there are certainly many, and yes its +ev if you make 1/3 pot continuation bets and it works more than 1/3

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Originally Posted by tjizzle3526

ok ok ok i realize i might of played it a bit badly,but that isnt the point or the question. my question is how can you in any position, in any game, at any time call an all-in bet and put yourself at risk with absolutely nothing. if he would of had AA or maybe a set or even a draw i wouldnt be upset at all. as you all pointed out i played it bad and if thats what he had i deserved to lose and thats fair enough. my point is once again how do you call with absolutely nothing.

macmuckalot's signature comes to mind here:

"It was easy I pushed the button that said call"

And in my mind I would be more pissed seeing AA, than rubbish which would make me content. But thats me

The flat call preflop started it rolling IMHO.

honeybee1955 · #9 (**permalink**) 08-09-2008, 02:56 PM

Yes I agree he was nuts, but as far as Im concerned, when your playing in these sites, they are computer generated, and just like real poker ya never know, if he had won on some off hands pryor,even if they was little, he may have known the computer was kinda in his favor that day, theres been many a time, I had off cards and wished I had stayed an raised, But I guess the computer thing will be a very touchy subject,lol