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[milkman5029]

Transcript for your last 1 games requested by mlkmn5029 (milkman5029@yahoo.com)
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PokerStars Game #23960890248: Tournament #134424447, $0.25+$0.00 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2009/01/16 13:26:54 ET
Table '134424447 2' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: #1wildfire (2380 in chips)
Seat 2: RizLaCroix (1430 in chips)
Seat 3: rus babay (2820 in chips)
Seat 4: ketice (1790 in chips)
Seat 5: DogHowdy (2075 in chips)
Seat 7: mlkmn5029 (1430 in chips)
Seat 8: siggisieg (3150 in chips)
Seat 9: johnmac666 (1805 in chips)
rus babay: posts small blind 15
ketice: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mlkmn5029 [Ah As]
DogHowdy: folds
mlkmn5029: raises 270 to 300
siggisieg: folds
johnmac666: folds
#1wildfire: calls 300
RizLaCroix: folds
rus babay: folds
ketice: calls 270
*** FLOP *** [2c 5c 7c]
ketice: bets 30
mlkmn5029: raises 1100 to 1130 and is all-in
#1wildfire: folds
ketice: calls 1100
*** TURN *** [2c 5c 7c] [5h]
*** RIVER *** [2c 5c 7c 5h] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ketice: shows [3c Tc] (a flush, Ten high)
mlkmn5029: shows [Ah As] (two pair, Aces and Fives)
ketice collected 3175 from pot
#1wildfire said, "nh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3175 | Rake 0
Board [2c 5c 7c 5h 8c]
Seat 1: #1wildfire folded on the Flop
Seat 2: RizLaCroix (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: rus babay (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: ketice (big blind) showed [3c Tc] and won (3175) with a flush, Ten high
Seat 5: DogHowdy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: mlkmn5029 showed [Ah As] and lost with two pair, Aces and Fives
Seat 8: siggisieg folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: johnmac666 folded before Flop (didn't bet


had a similar situation a few days ago on carbon poker and had my aces cracked by a donk. is it the cheap games i'm getting in thats causing this. i used to always push with this hand. lately i been raising 10x the blind in hopes of getting 1 caller. its happened both times and the caller had crap, what i would call a donkey hand. i quess here i shoulda probably layed this hand down after the flop, but i figured he wasn't lucky enough to have 2 clubs. i was wrong. at least here it only cost me 25 cents. but it cost me 50$ 1 night on absolute where i pushed this preflop in a ring game. thks for any imput.

[Poker Orifice]

Unfortunately in micr stakes games one needs to have to alter their playing strategy to compensate for the abundance of loose passive calling donks.
Your adjustment of raising it up 10x you think would be more than adequate (guessing you would like to see some action but only from one caller... I still think it's a bit high but obviously not on this particular table).
Personally I would stick to 3 to 5x rs. but you would most likely know more about the play in those tourneys than I would.
It's just pure bad luck while on a table with a donk(s).
This particular hand reminds me in some respects of many that I've played online (even in $26buyins recently .. unfortunately). Players limp/calling raises preflop with any 2-suited cards.... like that's a reason to call a raise with ("But they're sooooooooted"). Pretty insane. As many will say,.. "Yes but the times these morons pay you off far outweighs the suckouts." True... BUT.. you can also sometimes take a long run of badbeats.
Sure you could've slowed down here on the flop... but I don't think so. Instead I would assume they 'might' be drawing to a flush so I'm going to make them pay for it. I would've played the hand the same way you have here.
You will see and take many badbeats. Some will say, "Yah but we all take and give lots of badbeats." This isn't necessarily true. The 'good' player will take more badbeats as they are more often than not, getting their chips in while being ahead (sometimes (or often) way ahead).
I've learned that there's no real sense in talking about your badbeats or focusing any of your own attention on them. It is all counter productive. Instead, just work at telling yourself you made the right play (if you did) and have no power or control over the outcome,.. then move on,.. otherwise it'll carry over in your game and affect the way you play (whether you're aware of it at the time or not).
Over a period of time, one becomes conditioned to seeing badbeats and it begins to roll off of one's back more easily. This is something I strive for personally. There's just no sense in holding onto badbeats in my opinion.
Have you heard many (any) of the pros talking about badbeats? (not many.. if any.. maybe Phil Helmuth and Mike The Mouth... .but that's about it). Why do you think this is so?
I believe it is so because it is so counter-productive to playing good poker. One need to keep a positive mindset so that you can focus on the task at hand. Focusing on a badbeat just takes me off my A-game. Can't say I'm there (to the point where it doesn't affect me at all).. but I'm working on it. Maybe partially due to having seen sooooo many of them now and also knowing that I want to listen to someone else's badbeat about as much as they want to hear about mine. It just gets real old after awhile. I saw a guy shove on the bubble last night in the SB (obviously in hopes that the BB would fold) with 5-2o... get snap-called by QQ on BB... flop a 5 and river a 2. Just the way it goes. I was headsup in a sng last night, figured I was trapping my opponent when i limped the SB with KK.. he shoves with 5-7.. I call.. he flops a straight.. BOOM.. I'm out, lol (yes.. blinds were high enough that it was push/fold stage). It happens.

Hey.. if you're getting sucked out on and are taking badbeats more than you're giving them.. this is obviously a good thing.... just shows you that at least you're getting your money in with the best.
GL on the tables!

[Poker Orifice]

Unfortunately in micr stakes games one needs to have to alter their playing strategy to compensate for the abundance of loose passive calling donks.
Your adjustment of raising it up 10x you think would be more than adequate (guessing you would like to see some action but only from one caller... I still think it's a bit high but obviously not on this particular table).
Personally I would stick to 3 to 5x rs. but you would most likely know more about the play in those tourneys than I would.
It's just pure bad luck while on a table with a donk(s).
This particular hand reminds me in some respects of many that I've played online (even in $26buyins recently .. unfortunately). Players limp/calling raises preflop with any 2-suited cards.... like that's a reason to call a raise with ("But they're sooooooooted"). Pretty insane. As many will say,.. "Yes but the times these morons pay you off far outweighs the suckouts." True... BUT.. you can also sometimes take a long run of badbeats.
Sure you could've slowed down here on the flop... but I don't think so. Instead I would assume they 'might' be drawing to a flush so I'm going to make them pay for it. I would've played the hand the same way you have here.
You will see and take many badbeats. Some will say, "Yah but we all take and give lots of badbeats." This isn't necessarily true. The 'good' player will take more badbeats as they are more often than not, getting their chips in while being ahead (sometimes (or often) way ahead).
I've learned that there's no real sense in talking about your badbeats or focusing any of your own attention on them. It is all counter productive. Instead, just work at telling yourself you made the right play (if you did) and have no power or control over the outcome,.. then move on,.. otherwise it'll carry over in your game and affect the way you play (whether you're aware of it at the time or not).
Over a period of time, one becomes conditioned to seeing badbeats and it begins to roll off of one's back more easily. This is something I strive for personally. There's just no sense in holding onto badbeats in my opinion.
Have you heard many (any) of the pros talking about badbeats? (not many.. if any.. maybe Phil Helmuth and Mike The Mouth... .but that's about it). Why do you think this is so?
I believe it is so because it is so counter-productive to playing good poker. One need to keep a positive mindset so that you can focus on the task at hand. Focusing on a badbeat just takes me off my A-game. Can't say I'm there (to the point where it doesn't affect me at all).. but I'm working on it. Maybe partially due to having seen sooooo many of them now and also knowing that I want to listen to someone else's badbeat about as much as they want to hear about mine. It just gets real old after awhile. I saw a guy shove on the bubble last night in the SB (obviously in hopes that the BB would fold) with 5-2o... get snap-called by QQ on BB... flop a 5 and river a 2. Just the way it goes. I was headsup in a sng last night, figured I was trapping my opponent when i limped the SB with KK.. he shoves with 5-7.. I call.. he flops a straight.. BOOM.. I'm out, lol (yes.. blinds were high enough that it was push/fold stage). It happens.
Hey.. if you're getting sucked out on and are taking badbeats more than you're giving them.. this is obviously a good thing.... just shows you that at least you're getting your money in with the best.
GL on the tables!

[Poker Orifice]

.... not sure whether or not this already went thru??... more than half of the time I post here on 4king my posts don't actually work. kinda frustrating.. especially in cases with some where I've typed up a couple page post on strategy stuff.... sigh...

Unfortunately in micr stakes games one needs to have to alter their playing strategy to compensate for the abundance of loose passive calling donks.
Your adjustment of raising it up 10x you think would be more than adequate (guessing you would like to see some action but only from one caller... I still think it's a bit high but obviously not on this particular table).
Personally I would stick to 3 to 5x rs. but you would most likely know more about the play in those tourneys than I would.
It's just pure bad luck while on a table with a donk(s).
This particular hand reminds me in some respects of many that I've played online (even in $26buyins recently .. unfortunately). Players limp/calling raises preflop with any 2-suited cards.... like that's a reason to call a raise with ("But they're sooooooooted"). Pretty insane. As many will say,.. "Yes but the times these morons pay you off far outweighs the suckouts." True... BUT.. you can also sometimes take a long run of badbeats.
Sure you could've slowed down here on the flop... but I don't think so. Instead I would assume they 'might' be drawing to a flush so I'm going to make them pay for it. I would've played the hand the same way you have here.
You will see and take many badbeats. Some will say, "Yah but we all take and give lots of badbeats." This isn't necessarily true. The 'good' player will take more badbeats as they are more often than not, getting their chips in while being ahead (sometimes (or often) way ahead).
I've learned that there's no real sense in talking about your badbeats or focusing any of your own attention on them. It is all counter productive. Instead, just work at telling yourself you made the right play (if you did) and have no power or control over the outcome,.. then move on,.. otherwise it'll carry over in your game and affect the way you play (whether you're aware of it at the time or not).
Over a period of time, one becomes conditioned to seeing badbeats and it begins to roll off of one's back more easily. This is something I strive for personally. There's just no sense in holding onto badbeats in my opinion.
Have you heard many (any) of the pros talking about badbeats? (not many.. if any.. maybe Phil Helmuth and Mike The Mouth... .but that's about it). Why do you think this is so?
I believe it is so because it is so counter-productive to playing good poker. One need to keep a positive mindset so that you can focus on the task at hand. Focusing on a badbeat just takes me off my A-game. Can't say I'm there (to the point where it doesn't affect me at all).. but I'm working on it. Maybe partially due to having seen sooooo many of them now and also knowing that I want to listen to someone else's badbeat about as much as they want to hear about mine. It just gets real old after awhile. I saw a guy shove on the bubble last night in the SB (obviously in hopes that the BB would fold) with 5-2o... get snap-called by QQ on BB... flop a 5 and river a 2. Just the way it goes. I was headsup in a sng last night, figured I was trapping my opponent when i limped the SB with KK.. he shoves with 5-7.. I call.. he flops a straight.. BOOM.. I'm out, lol (yes.. blinds were high enough that it was push/fold stage). It happens.
Hey.. if you're getting sucked out on and are taking badbeats more than you're giving them.. this is obviously a good thing.... just shows you that at least you're getting your money in with the best.
GL on the tables!

[wixx]

That was crap though he called you big raise with 10 3...but they were sooooooted. I hate when the poker gods smile upon these assholes.