This Weeks, weekend Question

[GypsyTea]

Blinds $1/$2

Game roll $48.00

10 seat cash game on PKR

you are DB 2 players in front of you have limped in for $3.00

Pot is $12 you limped in as well SB did not complete

BB called POT $12.00

Your Cards KJ

Flop Q8T

BB bails out, limper 1 bails out, Limper 2 Raises $9.00

Action is on You, what do you do and Why?

GT

[scrawnybob]

hi GT

yes its here - ty

ok so in a $1/2 game the max buy-in should be about $200 ... so I'd have bought in for $180 (that covers any trick angles on the question)

so I'm guessing our hero has blown his roll down to $48 ;-)

anyway this is going to sound weak but with position on the betor (and the others out the hand) I would just flat call the $9 to see the turn

at the moment you've got a straight draw, the boards showing a possible flush draw ok you've got king hearts but for that to figure you need runner runner so I really dont want to see another heart, guess the ace wouldnt be so bad but still runner runner is a long shot)

I'd want to slow play (no made hand) as cheaply as possible as I'm thinking from his bet and the board -

30% he's made a hand - 8 J suited or off / 88
(and even maybe a hand than even if I make mine I'm still behind)

30% he's making a value bet at the pot in the hope I dont want any part of it

30% he's got a decent draw and wants to keep the action rolling - KA off, 2 mid hearts(maybe Ace heart + heart but people play that differently)

anyway not sure strict odds permit a $9 call on a $12 pot but I'd call - no raise or anything fancy - yep its a reasonable draw but I wouldnt feel its worth the bother of getting tricky trying to take down the pot on a semi-bluff ... but would plan to fire at the pot again on the turn depending on villans action on the turn

probably all wrong maths wize but thats my shot at it

cheers scrawnybob

[luzipher]

Blinds $1/$2

Game roll $48.00

10 seat cash game on PKR

you are DB 2 players in front of you have limped in for $3.00

Are blinds $2 or $3?

[teflondel]

With an OE straight draw giving you 8 outs to the nuts the call is easy given that you are calling 9/57 so you have the pot odds.

[pothole]

Hmmm, confused as to pot amount pre flop, figure it should be $9, anyway, with the ltd info on the player I would flat call to see the turn. I don't believe the villain is on a flush draw as the pot sized bet is to discourage chasers so I believe I have 8 outs, maybe 11 as vill may have only top pr considering he limped in. I'm getting 2/1 on my money ( if the pot is $18, more if its $21 ) 29 cards left in the deck and 11 outs are closer to 3/1 so pot odds are off but implied odds make the call worthwhile.

[Poker Orifice]

So far what I see alot of the respondents to this thread are not considering is a couple of things (maybe a few or more.. i dunno??).
We're not so much always looking at pot odds when making a 'call' on the flop, but are more interested in implied odds.
If we just call on the flop, are we getting paid off on the turn if we make our straight? I doubt it.
We're short-stacked here in this question so I do believe that has alot of significance on the question. I don't play a real lot of cash game play (I specialize in tourney-style) but I would hazard a guess that we re-raise & shove it ALLIN here on the flop, OR (depending upon our image & their's), we float the flop & shove the turn regardless of what hits.

[teflondel]

So far what I see alot of the respondents to this thread are not considering is a couple of things (maybe a few or more.. i dunno??).
We're not so much always looking at pot odds when making a 'call' on the flop, but are more interested in implied odds.
If we just call on the flop, are we getting paid off on the turn if we make our straight? I doubt it.
We're short-stacked here in this question so I do believe that has alot of significance on the question. I don't play a real lot of cash game play (I specialize in tourney-style) but I would hazard a guess that we re-raise & shove it ALLIN here on the flop, OR (depending upon our image & their's), we float the flop & shove the turn regardless of what hits.

Maybe it is because I dont play ring games very often that I never noticed that he was a SS on that type of table.

[pothole]

Nowhere does it mention stack size so I don't know where that got brought up. As for pushing your stack on a draw, where do you play?

[LombardiStix]

I guess I'm the sucker, but I'm folding in this situation. I don't wanna put that much of my stack in on a weak hand. I'm looking ahead to the turn. If he puts out another bet am I gonna sink another 9-15$ on this draw? I'll take this as a warning shot. It looks like he's protecting. Even if he isn't, I'm thinking he's betting a draw... and on a ring game I'm not getting in the pissing contest.

Cheers,
Stix

[PokerJonny]

So far what I see alot of the respondents to this thread are not considering is a couple of things (maybe a few or more.. i dunno??).
We're not so much always looking at pot odds when making a 'call' on the flop, but are more interested in implied odds.
If we just call on the flop, are we getting paid off on the turn if we make our straight? I doubt it.
We're short-stacked here in this question so I do believe that has alot of significance on the question. I don't play a real lot of cash game play (I specialize in tourney-style) but I would hazard a guess that we re-raise & shove it ALLIN here on the flop, OR (depending upon our image & their's), we float the flop & shove the turn regardless of what hits.

I think this is the best answer, and I would do something similar.

Maybe i would make a raise on the flop that pot commits me on the turn because it may look more scary than an AI.

Raising/pushing here is better than calling because:

We have str8 draw, backdoor flush draw, 1 overcard.

FOLD EQUITY - if you call and miss the turn what do you do?
you also can get better hands such as Qx and AT to fold.

the bettor may also be on a draw, e.g 97, or 2 hearts and your K high may well hold up and win anyway.

I think the bet of $9 is trying to win the pot on the flop and I think our AI will take the $21 on offer over 50% of the time - and the other 50% we will prob be 40% dog to double up anyway. I think this just about makes it a +EV play.

If you call a flop and turn bet (correctly - because of the pot odds) then you stack is almost gone anyway, and you will have to re buy or start pushing marginal situations anyway.