Good, Dumb, GUtsy or all of the above?

[ND1991]

10 man table, $20 + $1.60 buy-in, Top 5 get $40 each

Blinds 25/50 and 5 ante

Small Blind: 1120 chips
Big Blind: 340 chips
Position 3: 2900 chips
Position 4 - HERO - 1085 chips AQ
Position 5: 1380 chips
Position 6: 2355 chips
Position 7: 1330 chips
Position 8: 1470 chips
Position 9: 1545 chips
Button: 1425 chips

Antes of 50, Small Blind 25, Big Blind 50.

Position 3: calls 50 (pot 175)
HERO bets 345 (pot 520)
Positions 5 through Button all Fold (pot 520)
Small Blind pushes (raise of 775) -- pot at 1640
Big Blind Folds
Position 3 calls 1070 -- pot at 2710

HERO has 740 left. What do you do??

[slacker]

If you're not willing to snap those shoves then why did you raise 7 bb with only one limper?

You're pretty much committed now.

I would have raised 175, it's easier to fold to 3bets or it keeps the pot manageble after the flop, but that's just my standtard raise pf when short stacked in a donkament I guess: 2.5 bb + 1 bb per limper.

[PokerJonny]

HERO has 740 left. What do you do??

Tough 1.

I would prob call given pot odds, esp if I think SB is loose.

However up to that point I would have played the hand differently and I think you put yourself in this bad situation by not thinking through your pre flop play.

Your pf raise OOP is not good - I dont like to raise 30% of my stack in a DoN then fold, partic as I'm one of the shortest stacks at the table.

I would favour a limp here in early position with AQs and see how the hand develops.
If I had a bigger stack then I would raise.

The raise is way too big - you will not get action from the hands you want such as AJ with a raise this size, so raise less - 3BB.

[ND1991]

Thanks for thoughts. I would like to understand better the limp strategy? I have definitely seen it work, but I find the range of hands you find yourself playign against when you limp is much greater.

Any guidance or thoughts on when to limp, when to raise 3x or so (online this seems to be very similar to limping) and when to raise 5x+ (online this can get hands out).

Thanks again :-)

[hojediade]

and when to raise 5x+ (online this can get hands out).
Thanks again :-)

Everybody pointed out that you probably over-bet your hand. Maybe you should slow down the action and wait for players to fall in your trap.
So i would have probably limp-in that pot, wondering what was holding this big stack limper in EP, in this kind of the game.
Maybe your image wasn't good too as you were third lowest stack at the table.

[PokerJonny]

Thanks for thoughts. I would like to understand better the limp strategy? I have definitely seen it work, but I find the range of hands you find yourself playign against when you limp is much greater.

Any guidance or thoughts on when to limp, when to raise 3x or so (online this seems to be very similar to limping) and when to raise 5x+ (online this can get hands out).

Thanks again :-)

To try and prescribe a set of rules for when you should limp, raise 3BB, 5BB etc would be foolish.

It all depends on the game you are playing, blind levels, your table image and the strength of your opposition.

Sometimes a stragegy is correct in a certain game and incorrect in another game.

In the situation described in this thread you have 20BB, you are in early position in a DoN game at a full table, you have a slightly below average stack but are not by any means desparate yet; in this situation raising 7BB is way too much and I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve with the raise?

I would limp because I can get away from the hand cheaply if I need to.

You are correct that limping encourages others into the pot, and this reduces our chances of winning the hand, however we could still win a large pot with our flush and straight possiblilties and also hitting a single Q or A could win us a small pot, as alot of ppl tend to play weaker Aces.

In a DoN the general strategy is to play tight early on, and this hand in early position is not as strong a hand as it looks.

[rllngn]

yea the whole limping thing is kind of messed up, but after that play, i would almost just call and see what the flop brings, and if my br was sitting good, i would go all in over the top, but for a 20 buy in i think i would check and ss the flop