Smart Call or Not?

[Terminal Frost]

I have my opinion. But I'll let the hand history speak for itself.

Full Tilt Poker Game #15403574027: 4kingpoker FT Cup (108052585), Table 1 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:22:11 ET - 2009/10/17
Seat 1: GaTechMom (1,165)
Seat 2: Boston Robber (2,942)
Seat 3: leet222 (1,350)
Seat 4: sin2win69 (1,935)
Seat 5: skissors596 (1,670)
Seat 6: ennotserp (2,200)
Seat 7: rllngn (1,073)
Seat 8: alnoble (1,070)
Seat 9: pmcdunn (1,100)
rllngn posts the small blind of 25
alnoble posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to skissors596 [Kd Kc]
pmcdunn calls 50
GaTechMom folds
Boston Robber calls 50
leet222 folds
sin2win69 folds
skissors596 raises to 200
ennotserp folds
rllngn folds
alnoble raises to 400
pmcdunn folds
Boston Robber folds
pmcdunn has returned
skissors596 raises to 700
alnoble has 15 seconds left to act
alnoble calls 300
*** FLOP *** [Td 5s 5c]
alnoble checks
skissors596 has 15 seconds left to act
skissors596 bets 370
alnoble has 15 seconds left to act
alnoble has requested TIME
alnoble calls 370, and is all in
skissors596 shows [Kd Kc]
alnoble shows [7d 7h]
*** TURN *** [Td 5s 5c] [7s]
*** RIVER *** [Td 5s 5c 7s] [Tc]
skissors596 shows two pair, Kings and Tens
alnoble shows a full house, Sevens full of Tens
alnoble wins the pot (2,265) with a full house, Sevens full of Tens
rllngn: omg
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,265 | Rake 0
Board: [Td 5s 5c 7s Tc]
Seat 1: GaTechMom didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Boston Robber folded before the Flop
Seat 3: leet222 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: sin2win69 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: skissors596 showed [Kd Kc] and lost with two pair, Kings and Tens
Seat 6: ennotserp (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: rllngn (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: alnoble (big blind) showed [7d 7h] and won (2,265) with a full house, Sevens full of Tens
Seat 9: pmcdunn folded before the Flop

[Ramster]

Dunno if it woulda made any difference but why are you leaving 370 behind pre flop ?

[illphillllllll]

i guess he was hoping you were bluffing, if he played with you before he should have known better. with the amount of chips he stranded himself with it may not have been a bad call after the flop, the preflop action was his big mistake in my opinion. most people who open raise are not going to lay down preflop so i'm not sure why he would reraise with 77, most flops are not going to look good for 77 so i would either smooth call or more often than not just fold the 7's preflop. hopefully you will catch him overplaying his hand again.

[illphillllllll]

Dunno if it woulda made any difference but why are you leaving 370 behind pre flop ?

my guess is that she reraised to value her opponent to make a call instead of chasing him away. it also still gave her an opportunity to hold onto some chips if an ace flops and she feels like she is beat. i think she played the hand as well as it could have been played, we all play different but i see nothing wrong with her approach to the hand.

[Logan]

I think you can't change the end of the hand Frost.

Alnoble decide to call the first raise, then he decide to make a... i don't know really what was the point to that 2 times reraise, if want to push you out should push there or reraise 4 or 5 times and not only raise the 2ble, you reraise him to 700, but he already put 40% of his stack there so not much choice.

He decide to call the extra 300, and then already have 70% of his chips there, see a low pair in flop and a 10, he know you don't have non of both but even if he know you got a bigger pair no point to fold if only 300 chips left.

If for example, when he decide to reraise to 400, instead of you reraise to 700 push all-in, probably he call any way, so that's why i say that i think in this hand can't do much, the end was the same.

Only choice that i see is that in the start you raise bigger than 200, and if still then he decide to call same result again.

Not your fault just really bad luck.

[Ramster]

my guess is that she reraised to value her opponent to make a call instead of chasing him away. it also still gave her an opportunity to hold onto some chips if an ace flops and she feels like she is beat. i think she played the hand as well as it could have been played, we all play different but i see nothing wrong with her approach to the hand.

I dont really understand this train of thought
If she wanted to keep some chips back in case an A flops surely it would be better to flat call the re-raise

Also it gives more fold equity if an A doesn't come and she decides to push on the flop

I dont think Alnoble was going anywhere after his re-raise so it probly wouldnt have made any difference to the outcome of the hand however it was played

I just think it could have been played better

But as you say we all play differently thats what makes it such a great game

[sin2win]

I think its a EASY fold preflop. U have to know ure up against a higher pr there with that 4 bet. EASY fold and very dumb call that got lucky... we see it everywhere

[rgchan]

I too don,t think it would have made any difference if you re-raised ALL in or flat called the 400 raise by Noble preflop.Because Alnoble committed himself and I,m sure being Pot committed was going to go all the way.You got in with the best hand and just got very unlucky.
RG

[ND1991]

Interesting hand history. I do not know players involved very well to know tendencies and such.

The first re-raise is interesting, I will sometimes do this with a strong hand to see how committed the person is. If they come back, I push. However, you cannot make that play with 77 so not sure what the re-raise was trying to learn. Higher pair is calling, two overs like AK, AQ are most likely calling.

The play back third bet, I probably lay down 77 and look for a monster in the next lap to try and double up. However, with 40% of my chips in, I guess I could think the third bet was to try and chase me off since I had 40% of my chips in but then again, I either fold or push.

After the flop, much tougher laydown since I have so much invested, only 300 left, and unless you have the pair or maybe AT, a good shot and doubling through.

Could it have been played "better"? Maybe.
Could it have be played "differently"? Absolutely!
Could it have been a "good/great laydown"? Probably.

But online you see hands like this all the time. My only "issue" at all was the blinds were still low, getting mixed up with middle pair is always risky and there was plenty of time left. If it was later, and blinds were 100/200 or so, I like the play more.

[LombardiStix]

I think we are beset by our own mindsets. We evaluate a hand within our own patterns of reason and relative strength. Here's my take on it.

Alnoble isnt a standard player. Evaluation of his/her hand in such a way isn't... fair? or more precisely accurate. I think the player in question is a "thrill" type player. Probablly put you on AK AQ and WANTED to race. Instead got in over their head and managed to catch out. Now post-flop we all know and agree that is not a bad call. I mean you didnt have a 10 or a 5 and most of chips are in the pot anyway. So... what yah gonna do? lol

Stix