Hand #5

[ND1991]

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) -

UTG ($37.81)
UTG+1 ($4.75)
MP1 ($93.64)
ND1991 (MP2) ($30.93)
MP3 ($10.03)
CO ($54.22)
Button ($24.14)
SB ($24.40)
BB ($20.74)
Preflop: ND1991 is MP2 with Q, Q
3 folds, ND1991 bets $0.85, 1 fold, CO calls $0.85, 3 folds
Flop: ($2.05) A, 9, J (2 players)
ND1991 checks,
CO bets $2.05,

ND1991 to act.

What do you do?

[Ramster]

Not too keen on checking the flop here
You are playing this hand out of position and you want to know where you are
I'm folding here i think you may be only drawing to 2 Qs here and even then you could be behind

[mrspolarbear]

I hate playing 9 handed.
I would have to fold.

[ND1991]

I knew the "right" play here was to fold. The I thought, if he has A and K why didn't he three-bet pre-flop. Of course smooth call is legit play. If he had suited connectors and flopped the flush, I am guessing my Q is good if another lands.

I figure I will call and see the turn, and really curious if he is just using his surplus chips because he is above max buy-in.

Turn: ($6.15) 6 (2 players)
ND1991 checks,
CO bets $6.15,

So now I am in a real pickle. I learned nothing and I am staring a second barrel bluff or a made hand. Ugh!!!!!

As the saying goes, any thing from here on is just good money after bad.

What do you?

[hojediade]

Hard to tell what's your opponent hand. But pot odds are not good to call there. As previouly said the check on flop wasn't ideal to place your opponent on a hand plus it probably cost you more by calling than being first to act with a smaller continuation bet.
Another statement is to say that when you're lost in a hand, you probably already beat, so that you can fold your hand without any regrets.

[Whatsthepassword?]

Go all-in, of course! No, only joking. It was a fold after your opponent bet on the flop. It's a deffo fold now.

[Peteyweestro]

I think here i would have to fold with a wish that i had made a good bet pre flop

[ND1991]

And so it goes. I was definitely on a heater this night.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed)
UTG ($37.81)
UTG+1 ($4.75)
MP1 ($93.64)
ND1991 (MP2) ($30.93)
MP3 ($10.03)
CO ($54.22)
Button ($24.14)
SB ($24.40)
BB ($20.74)
Preflop: ND1991 is MP2 with Q , Q
3 folds, ND1991 bets $0.85, 1 fold, CO calls $0.85, 3 folds
Flop: ($2.05) A , 9 , J (2 players)
ND1991 checks, CO bets $2.05, ND1991 calls $2.05
Turn: ($6.15) 6 (2 players)
ND1991 checks, CO bets $6.15, ND1991 calls $6.15
River: ($18.45) K (2 players)


Now what do you do? I mean, I definitely have proven myself a donkey in this hand to this point.

[Whatsthepassword?]

Wow! I'm liking that river card. a healthy raise is in order here.

[scrawnybob]

hi

warning this is a rambling post (again) so anything useful may be difficult to find ;-)

I would have played that hand very differently to the other replies - I hadnt seen your river post and was already questioning my own play ... I think I would have taken the game to them a bit more

so was not suggesting a fold -

preflop bet with QQ seems ok (the fact he called suggests in the absence of other info that he has a credible hand and/or feels he can use position to get you to fold later)

the check on the flop IMHO is weak - I would have bet out even if it was a "weak" single size bet to see just how much he came back over the top with ... he was always going to bet ... by checking I think you get less info on strength than making him technically re-raise rather than betting into a check

the flop has come down triple suited with an ace - so IMHO there are alot of hands he could play semi confidently that ultimately he also wont like and will be forced to fold at some point ... off suit Ace J, medium pocket pairs , non spade suited pictures etc

maybe AK (king spades) is a possibility but given you keep checking there isnt in my view anyway he is going to push push pot bets with nut flush draw and top pair ... he is far more likely to bet half and hope for a re-raise and 3/4 bet you

but I think him betting out the pot suggests more that he has some sort of PP or made hand that the flop really didnt help much on, or that he has a similar hand to you ... PP with one spade but lower eg. 88 or 1010 ... giving a rickety straight draw, flush draw and a middling PP

back to the hand in play ... again I would have bet out on the flop (probably pot) - you call ... same pot size etc but it makes the feel of the game different as to who is catching who

IMHO if you'd bet out and he only called then it suggests that he neither has a really strong hand that he doesnt want you drawing a card to an unmade flush, also that he hasnt made the flush already himself (if he had and you bet he should push to max value)

ok so the river is a total saviour from your POV in terms of actually making a hand but even so IMHO if you decide that a hand is going to be playable and that you are going to outplay the opponent because you have put them on a so-so hand that is very tricky to judge then whatever comes on the river is a representable card to put the fear of God in them

as it is you have now got the nut flush ... you want as much value as possible ... checking will almost certainly get a check behind - no value

betting the pot on the river MAY be the best play to induce either a bluff or extract the most value

but afaiks the safer play to stand the most chance of extracting some more value AND keep the possibility of a bluff is something like half the pot IMHO

you've put in something like a tenner and got twenty at the back ... he may well see that an re-push you all-in ... result you got all his money in

I know alot will say you got lucky etc and that you should have folded earlier etc - but IMHO sometimes (only sometimes) its worth pushing on a semi especially if you feel he is doing the same or has a playable but problematic hand

BTW What did he have ?

my prediction pocket 10's with one being a spade

really sticking my neck out ... I'm guessing you opted for a check on the river, he still (luckily) bet out and you re-raises allin and he called ... am I right ? am I right ?

(alternative ending - you bet the pot and he called)

cheers Scrawnybob