Value bet ?

[Ramster]

I didnt have any reads on this guy he hadnt been sat at the table long

Do i value bet here and if so how much

Hand#2335014141001339 - Pebble Beach 14141 -- $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em -- 2010/08/28 - 00:26:34
Seat 1: Arfer ($54.10 in chips) DEALER
Seat 2: Whit***2 ($59.90 in chips)
Seat 3: kold***3 ($17.60 in chips)
Seat 4: The***4 ($48.25 in chips)
Seat 5: yani***5 ($51.25 in chips)
Seat 7: Read***7 ($50 in chips)
Seat 8: KKan***8 ($33.03 in chips)
Seat 9: einz***9 ($68.50 in chips)
Seat 10: yuep***10 ($49.25 in chips)
Whit***2: posts small blind $0.25
kold***3: posts big blind $0.50
Dealt to Arfer [6h,8h]
The***4: calls $0.50
yani***5: folds
Read***7: folds
KKan***8: folds
einz***9: folds
yuep***10: folds
Arfer: calls $0.50
Whit***2: folds
kold***3: checks
*** FLOP *** [5s,4h,3d]
kold***3: checks
The***4: bets $1.75
Arfer: calls $1.75
kold***3: folds
*** TURN *** [7h]
The***4: bets $5.25
Arfer: raises to $21
The***4: calls $15.75
*** RIVER *** [Ah]
The***4: checks
??????????

[Washerwoman]

what did u have to start with?

oh, ok...prob wouldn't have done much more after flop...

ok, are u trying to say you had an open ended straight here...lol

gotta be careful then...heheheh

[Poker Orifice]

One of my leaks playing cash tables is not getting value (&/or not getting thin value) in river spots (probably because I play so much more tournament play than I do cashgame play).
I'm thinking you need to bet this river for value. What range of hands is villain limping UTG? (AXs perhaps... low pp?).{edit - sorry.. I just saw that villain was new to the table} This would pretty much eliminate the flush from their range imo (but not being on table I really don't have a clue what that guy would be open-limping with UTG < personally I never openlimp utg).
On the flip side, if they'd flopped a set wouldn't they be re-raising you here on the turn?

Is villain capable of checking the flush on the river, hoping to induce a bet from you?
What do we think villain thinks we have here?
Not sure what the 'correct' answer is for this,..... b/f river maybe?
Is a worse hand going to call a value bet on this river? (after strength we've shown on turn).
Like I said, this'd be one of my leaks playing cashgames. I probably check it back on the river.

[Assistanc3]

ship it "all in baby"

[sos_egg_n]

YES,

reason been . he only has u beat with a flush which if he has got he SHOULD push allin anyway as u have to call with a STRONG HAND (which he knows from ur raise) and u will be getting 3/1

My point been
if u are bhind checking should not save u from ending up allin anyway BUT will save HIM from going allin if he is bhind.


plus chances are he has a 6 in his hand and thinks he str8 is a split


But like i say inmo checking is DEFO wrong


Rgds

Sos

[kingmotan]

He never has a flush there; ever.
So you kinda have the nuts. obv value bet.
As for how much, allin is the answer. you 3bet him to 21$ on the turn and he called
so he is now left with 25$ I think. He will either fold, or call any bet you make hence you have to get max value if you can.

[Washerwoman]

ok, 6 8 5 4 3 7...

isn't that an open ended straight...? oh, ok, lmao...yeah, the flush...well...i'd go all in with that unless u obv think he has "bigger" heart boys...but i'm renowned for skating with straights and missing flushes...so...i just did that here...must be colour blind.........oops

I WILL improve...

[Poker Orifice]

Yes it is a 'straight' but also yes he did just hit a flush.

An 'open-ended straight draw' is when we have 4 consecutive running cards, & we make a straight if we hit a card on either end of it (aka... 'open-ended'), once we hit the straight it's no longer 'open-ended'.. we have the straight.

[Washerwoman]

yes, Chops, but i was a total pillock with villa on ft on Bodog, there's no way he should have won that game...i went awol...i had too many chips...but i have never revisited the hand...i knew i would hit two pairs, which i did, 4s and ks, but the k was a river heart...now had he the hearts already on the flop/turn...or did he chase to the river for the king and hit his flush...which was the card i needed but, unfortunately i hit raise instead of check...all in all i fucked up...duh...washer needs to concentrate...that's the bottom line...hamster can win any time he gets off his wheel...(oops i feel an ice age coming on...)

[kingmotan]

What the hell are you talking about?
Can we not turn every thread into a fkin joke?
You have the Offtopic section to sing and dance and do w/ever you want.
Leave the rest clean, both you and the other blonde.
ktnxbye