Can you fold here?

[CtrlMe]

This is a live tournament game at my local casino (all the way in Australia) well anyway it was a $40 Freezeout, had 60 runners and top 7 were being paid.

Hero: 8BB
Villain: 12BB


We were playing 5 handed, then we had a full table of 9, after a few hands and a few players knocked out i get dealt AJo UTG and raise 2.5BB (leaving me with around 5BB to work with ) Villain shoves all-in in LP, the rest fold and it comes back to me. What do I do?

Note:
I have the image of a pretty aggressive player, but capable of making tough lay downs
I don't have much of a read on the villain except I had seen her shove all-in once before in LP within about 2 orbits.

[sos_egg_n]

In my opinion you can never raise a 3rd of your stack and fold,So No

If your priority was to hang on for seventh fold at first point of action or think of your possibilities at this point. you should know what you are going to do for all possibilites with only 5 bb.

Rgds

Sos

[ND1991]

Tough place to be especially with little to no read. At 5-7 BB I am in push/fold mode mainly since a pre-flop raise is not going to scare anyone since I have nothing to back it up, and if they think I am weak in any way, a push on their part can be a good play. So...

If they have A better kicker, their push makes sense and you are pretty much screwed.

If they have A worse kicker, their push is ill-advised but not horrible. They may think their A is good.

If they have PP, their push makes sense, but unless it is JJ or better you are at least a coin flip.

If they have any two random cards, you are probably 60 / 40 favorite give or take.

Can I fold that? Small raise with little backing UTG, ugh..... normally I would call and take my chances and hope they are not A better kicker.

Or I fold, learn my lesson, and play push fold and hope to double before blinds get to me again.

[CtrlMe]

Yeah thanks for the insight guys, the person ended up having KK and it held up, i wasn't disappointed at all which is strange, just looking if I really could fold in that spot, it was likely that I'd be 2-1 dog but anyway next time

[Poker Orifice]

You can never fold there (pot is just giving you wayyyyyy too good of odds to call once you've invested a portion of your puney stack & knowing what you'd be left with).

Typically raise/folding pre with a stack of 15-20bb's is bad. With 10-ish BB's.. you want to just ship it pre (cuz you're never folding if you get reraised allin once you've initially raised0.

[beanfacekilla]

Yeah I would not have folded either. You were on your way out, and needed a double up. Unfortunately, you got beat. Hit it hard again.

[thejudge]

Just my opinion ...but without more info on the villain i'm folding .....putting him on AK or big pair

[Outby1]

I have to agree with thejudge I would fold, unless I was suited then I would have called.

[Washerwoman]

I'd have gone all in...

[Poker Orifice]

I have to agree with thejudge I would fold, unless I was suited then I would have called.

I don't see how being 'suited' would make any difference at all here?

if players were half knowledgeable on the table.. they would assume that you were really strong here (btw..I disagree with NDB here too... I mean it don't believe their thoughts are swayed because 'we don't have many chips to 'back it up' on the flop'... I would think that they would think (KNOW) that any stack of 8bb's that raises instead of shoving is TYPICALLY a monster.. BEGGING For action. (< even this is real basic novice stuff... and wouldnt' fool a typical decent $10 online mtt player).

OP, thinking you're a 2to1 dog vs. villain's range here (which I would doubt to be honest.. because wouldn't vilain's range also include 99+?
EVEN if you are a 2to1 dog... it's still an EASY CALL!!! There are sooooo many chips in the pot now that you are getting way more than ample odds to make the call (to be honest.. if you had 72o it is a call here now!).
Raise/Folding pre on a stack of this size is a HUGE leak. Anyone considering should probably have a bit of a read about basic MTT theory.