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[Dan Abnormal]

Got some hands just a question or two about and one hand I dunno about.

Hand#2657014275000911 - Rome 14275 -- $0.02/$0.04 NL Hold'em -- 2011/07/15 - 10:15:06
Seat 1: NCJi***1 ($3.70 in chips)
Seat 2: eugeneseldom ($3.78 in chips)
Seat 3: xxKY***3 ($2.27 in chips)
Seat 4: Paij***4 ($4.87 in chips)
Seat 5: AnNe***5 ($3.98 in chips)
Seat 7: sill***7 ($4.09 in chips)
Seat 8: dade***8 ($7.21 in chips) DEALER
Seat 9: bava***9 ($2 in chips)
Seat 10: gude***10 ($4.08 in chips)
gude***10: posts small blind $0.02
eugeneseldom: posts big blind $0.04
Dealt to eugeneseldom [8c,5d]
xxKY***3: folds
Paij***4: folds
AnNe***5: folds
sill***7: calls $0.04
dade***8: calls $0.04
gude***10: folds
eugeneseldom: checks
*** FLOP *** [9h,3h,8d]
eugeneseldom: bets $0.07
sill***7: raises to $0.14
dade***8: folds
eugeneseldom: calls $0.07
*** TURN *** [5c]
eugeneseldom: bets $0.42
sill***7: raises to $0.84
eugeneseldom: calls $0.42
*** RIVER *** [5h]
eugeneseldom: bets $2.10
sill***7: folds
eugeneseldom: returns uncalled bet $2.10
***SHOW DOWN***
eugeneseldom: mucks
eugeneseldom: wins $1.96

Guess I should of checked river since he kept raising me

FLush draw or just 9 or 8 or possible higher PP was up against ya think

Big blind special for me only bet on flop casue I caught a piece also had notes on the dude betting against me, wasnt sure if he was on flush draw or just 2 pairs by the river i didnt care but i guess I should of checked and see if he would of gave up more, figured his post flop and turn raise the action would of continued. GOOD BET BY ME ON RIVER or SHOULD OF CHECKED

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Hand#2657014275000922 - Rome 14275 -- $0.02/$0.04 NL Hold'em -- 2011/07/15 - 10:27:28
Seat 1: NCJi***1 ($3.78 in chips)
Seat 2: eugeneseldom ($4.64 in chips)
Seat 3: xxKY***3 ($5.17 in chips) DEALER
Seat 4: Paij***4 ($4.77 in chips)
Seat 5: AnNe***5 ($3.98 in chips)
Seat 7: sill***7 ($2.13 in chips)
Seat 8: dade***8 ($6.27 in chips)
Seat 9: bava***9 ($1.94 in chips)
Seat 10: fish***10 ($0.88 in chips)
Paij***4: posts small blind $0.02
AnNe***5: posts big blind $0.04
Dealt to eugeneseldom [Ah,5h]
sill***7: calls $0.04
dade***8: folds
bava***9: folds
fish***10: calls $0.04
NCJi***1: folds
eugeneseldom: calls $0.04
xxKY***3: calls $0.04
Paij***4: calls $0.02
AnNe***5: checks
*** FLOP *** [9h,5d,9s]
Paij***4: checks
AnNe***5: checks
sill***7: bets $0.04
fish***10: calls $0.04
eugeneseldom: calls $0.04
xxKY***3: calls $0.04
Paij***4: folds
AnNe***5: calls $0.04
*** TURN *** [As]
AnNe***5: checks
sill***7: bets $0.04
fish***10: raises to $0.30
eugeneseldom: calls $0.30
xxKY***3: folds
AnNe***5: folds
sill***7: raises to $0.56
fish***10: calls $0.26
eugeneseldom: folds
*** RIVER *** [9d]
sill***7: bets $1.24
fish***10: is all in 0.2400
sill***7: returns uncalled bet $1
sill***7: shows [6s 4s]
fish***10: shows [8s 8d]
***SHOW DOWN***
fish***10: wins $2.19 with Full House, Nines full of Eights

9's everywhere and people just beting large HMMM DUmb fold or dumb call or when I hit the ace on the turn should I have jacked teh bet larger. IS MY THINKING RIGHT HERE. Forget the dude with the 64s but the other dude I can see his point real easy. HIs .30 bet was to see who had the ace or 9 right dunno why I let SILL push me out the pot with the .56 bet but Im figuring trips 9s are gonna take my aces and then feel like a dumb ass on the river or really when the hand was over. DO PEOPLE IN HIGHER LEVEL GAMES come over ya with hands like 64s on boards with 9's and an ace. And really Im surprised I didnt call here but dang NO 9 by either, and if the river would of produced any other card I didnt know how much I was gonna have to pay to since ONE OF THE TWO had to have a 9 right. I was irratated in myself on this one, Im jsut saying the Turn re-raise should scream I have a 9 right. But I guess I should of been doing the re-raising but then if (AHHH I SEE) the dude in position 3 betted there, probably would of folded me still and cost me more

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Hand#2657014275000931 - Rome 14275 -- $0.02/$0.04 NL Hold'em -- 2011/07/15 - 10:39:08
Seat 1: NCJi***1 ($3.42 in chips)
Seat 2: eugeneseldom ($4.18 in chips)
Seat 4: Paij***4 ($4.67 in chips)
Seat 5: AnNe***5 ($3.94 in chips) DEALER
Seat 7: sill***7 ($2.26 in chips)
Seat 8: dade***8 ($7.65 in chips)
Seat 9: vins***9 ($3.96 in chips)
Seat 10: fish***10 ($2.40 in chips)
sill***7: posts small blind $0.02
dade***8: posts big blind $0.04
Dealt to eugeneseldom [8s,8c]
vins***9: raises to $0.16
fish***10: calls $0.16
NCJi***1: folds
eugeneseldom: calls $0.16
Paij***4: folds
AnNe***5: folds
sill***7: calls $0.14
dade***8: folds
*** FLOP *** [3h,4h,5c]
sill***7: bets $0.46
vins***9: folds
fish***10: folds
eugeneseldom: is all in 4.0200
sill***7: is all in 1.6400
eugeneseldom: returns uncalled bet $1.92
eugeneseldom: shows [8s 8c]
sill***7: shows [Qs 3s]
*** TURN *** [6d]
*** RIVER *** [Ts]
***SHOW DOWN***
eugeneseldom: wins $4.56 with Pair of Eights

Good shove or too risky - My notes told me correctly that the dude was FAce-rag again so I figured he didnt have a straight off the flop - maybe he got opened ended but I wanted him out of the pot post flop so no crazy cards (FACE or straight making) so pushed all in , got the call unexpectly and it held and I wanted to protect my precious snowmen. When the dude raised preflop, was I correct to call or should I have pushed it up higher here. The dude who folded to SILL's .46 bet if he would of stayed in that hand, i was ready to fold as I was assuming he had a better PP than me, Is this thinking sound. Of course with the .46 bet I fell into a habit Im trying to get out, the kamikaze all in but like I said I wanted to take the pot down on the flop. Aint questioning the results just trying to see If Im getting a feel on these players

Needless to say after getting my profit I decided since my SILL left that I would leave the table soon after

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I know some of these hand choices from me might also be questioned. One was a big blind special that I caught a piece of on the flop and didnt think .08 was too much to see one more street.

watching a bunch of videos so I have a whole rule sheet as to ranges I can play (CASH GAME NOT MTT ranges) I just am not getting the facing a raise type stuff correct yet but AXs I have playable in any pos and early I should be raising it up, but I didnt but I forget where I was on that hand

I aint dropping the PP unless I gotta push in big time money calling .16 here I was debating if I should raise his bet up pre flop but didint really want to invest much more in case I got a flop like AQT


Even though the last hand doesnt indicate this but really it wasnt an all in it was 1.50 bet. Im trying to make my post flop decision easier and trying to play poker and not just pushing all in as it seems it works at first and then the same people adjust and then use that aggression against me later. I really want to move on past the NL2 tables but I dunno remember when I was scared to lose .10 only a few months ago. Now its like I want to be in some bigger pots and just tighten my game up try some higher limits but I dunno. I aint always leaving the NL2 tables with profit but I will say its very few times Im not up at least .75 (Buying in for the full $4 each session) if not more but then Im like just stay at the table and keep playing and learning and pratice my range rules, needless to say most times it seems I walk away where I started except for those all in disasters I have posted before


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[Poker Orifice]

1st hand:
Not sure if I even lead turn here... I mean it's kinda weird to bet flop & call raise... and then lead into the raiser on the turn? (I see some players doin' this on my table & often ask myself, "What in the fk are they leading out now into the raiser for?"... often it seems for reasons like this > they've just hit 2pr).

fwiw I probably just check/call the turn (but no biggy... also depends on player reads).

Turn we lead... villain raises (straight gets there on turn.. which could easily be in villains range & could easily fit how he's played flop & preflop)... I'd still call their raise though obv.

River - 'it depends'.. if you're putting them on a flushdraw then why are you betting river? You must give them the oppurtunity to try to win the pot the only way they'll be able to win it. With how they've played the hand up to this point (without knowing much of how they play... & not knowing what they're read is on how we play (in prior hands)), I'm most likely crai on river here.

[Poker Orifice]

Hand 2: "Do people on higher buyin tables come over top of ya with hands like 64s here?"
answer: I'd be putting a note on that fish instantly. THink about it > he's shoving river here in a spot where his opponent is NEVER FOLDING EVER!!! (no matter what!). His river shove is just plain terrible. Note him & bumhunt (< look for him & try to play on ALL of his tables!!!!!).
.. oh.. hangon here.. I'm assuming you were referring to his turn play in which case > what is he repping here? (an Ace?). Doesn't make sense to me... doubt he has a 9.

Also, I wouldn't worry so much about missing out on winning money this hand near so much as > looking to win lots of money in future vs. this guy, each & every time you see him.

[Poker Orifice]

Firstly, you'd be better off posting a HandHistory up to the point where we need to make a decision (you don't want to post results). Then continue the HH post if there's more decisions/questions on later streets.

Hand3: Your question about > should I be re-raising here with 88 preflop? Umm... no. Why would you want to reraise preflop with 88? (what would be our reason for it?).

Flop Play vs. that total fish... rrai prob fine. Not sure how we come off with the Kreskin read here though (Face-Rag)? I'm thinkin' with that guy it could be atc (but then again I wasn't on the table.. you were.. guess he loved playin' Kx Qx Jx hands or somethin')

[Poker Orifice]

Last pointer
When playing micro cash tables, basically your goal should be to be value-betting your good hands (not about tryin' to 'push off other guy'.. or getting in marginal spots, etc.). There's just wayyyyyy too many oppurtunities to value bet the donkeys then to play back kamikaze with marginal stuff in mediochre spots imo.

Depending on the table though, I 'might' play kinda Laggy for awhile to have my big hands paid off more (< actually I'll often do this). More often than not though, you'll get one or two HUGELY over-aggro spewy FISHcakes on the table along with a few weaker passive types so it can be very profitable to play fairly ABC & work on value-betting/bet-sizing.

[Poker Orifice]

Another pointer: don't move up in limits just yet. imo you should be comfortable playing 8tables+ at 4nl & 'winning' before moving up.

[Poker Orifice]

the comment about the AXs hand.... I'm NEVER raising here over limpers. Also, if I'm in earlier pos. I'm just mucking it pre (unless its a super passive table I'll call a limper while in MP.. but I'm never open-raising in EP with AXs hands in FullRing. I actually much AJ in EP & often AQo in EP too.)
What videos did you watch that suggested raising with AXs in EP? (delete them from ur puter)