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[malika9]

Setting: I was playing some 1/2 NL at a local casino here in Indiana, the Hollywood. I had just broken from a 3 handed table to fill a 10 seater (it was 5am on a Sunday morning). I had roughly $450 in front of me.

Hand: I am +3 with AhAd, 2 limpers, I raise to $13. 2 behind the button call, BB calls, and limpers call.

Flop: Kd2h3h.

+2 leads out for $70. This play catches me way off guard, as I was anticipating making my own bet. I tank for a bit, contemplate position, and decide that a flat call is best here (for I expect a push behind me, if it is substantial, means a set, esp if villain calls. I flat, and action folds around.

Turn: 5h.

Villain pushes here, for $160. I my range on him was a small set, or something in the range of Kh/QJx. That being a pot size bet, if he has a set, I am drawing to 12. If he has Kh/QJx, I am a huge favorite. If he has some sneaky flush, I am still drawing live to 8, so, at worst, I am 4-1. With the pot laying me 2.3-1, with his range, I decide this is a must call. He turns over Kh6h, and the river blanks.

My question: to maximize my EV, how do I change my play in this particular hand? Is a re-reraise on the flop max EV, because while it gives away my hand, it also does not allow K6 to fold? Do I fold to a heart turn, though I think KhQx or KhJx is played the same way? How do I alter the play of this hand?

[Poker Orifice]

Not sure I would alter it... uL, 'nh'.
I was gonna say as far as villain's range goes... do they really have KhQx in their range.. Limp/calling OOP? Then I see what they did have... & YUP.. KhQx def. in their range. gots to love 1/2 live tables.

[Dan Abnormal]

HEY Ill give it a shot so I wouldnt put too much stock in this answer

SO am I saying this right, dude put up $70 to win $13 dang K6s thats a bunch of sucks cards there (or am I wrong) WOnder if a $25 PF raise would of folded that dude and kept the others in the pot. HMMM Well Im a wimp but would feel pretty good with that flop and my pockets but Id hate scraping over $80 dollars to fold on the river bet. OK MY VOTE higher PF bet, fold the $70 turn bet with those hearts on board.

BUt I do it opposite, My pot was only around $100 I had top 2 pair on flop but 2 clubs on board, there were a bunch of limpers but me and some other guy folded everyone around with raises. River card was a club and dude lead out a strong river bet and like a dumbass I folded and he shows and has NOTHING. SO it did 2 things, it fucked with my head, and all I could do was see most of my chips in his stack and I couldnt get it together after that.

[Poker Orifice]

WOnder if a $25 PF raise would of folded that dude and kept the others in the pot. .

Why would we want to bet out $25 preflop to have dude fold?.. when we can bet out $13 & have him call?? (in other words... why are you thinking about how you could've gotten this guy to fold preflop? don't you want him to call you all day long?)

[Dan Abnormal]

Yes I want everyone to call but Im speaking in terms of already knowing whats to come. I misread the post anyways, are we saying 5 people were in the pot pf so that would be $65 pot not $13 so that $70 bet isnt as crazy as when I thought pot was just $13. I guess he's screaming hes on a draw but damn Id be psychologically damaged if I called that $70 and either laid it down or called that river bet. Id have to just clear my head the next couple of hands.

Also do I have this right, the dude with the kh6h was betting in MP and with someone already calling before him and the dude with aces was 3rd to bet and raised it up and then 2 more people called his raise and the 2 people before him then called the raise. IS THIS CORRECT if it is, why on earth is the kh6h guy calling that raise, is it becasue 4 other people are in the pot and hes just hoping. AHH is this the 4 to 1 thing. IM not calling $13 with K6s in that position. Esp with another mp raising it up. Is this sound thinking or am I playing scarred money by folding Kh6H in MP. I mean if the hearts miss but the king doesnt, Id be scarred to bet with a 6 kicker. OH WELL DUDE, just the best scenerio gone to hell on the flop. Like I said Id need a few hands after to get my head back on right

[Poker Orifice]

Calling a Utg limp while in Utg1 w K6s is real bad.
Calling the raise OOP is real bad too (although at this point the guy with K6s is closing out the preflop action so if he's gonna call the limp pre I doubt he's ever folding here & is getting huge odds).
DanAbs, from the donk with K6s perspective.... once he's called the limper, then there's a raise & a bunch more call the raise... he's last to act & is getting good odds. Thing is though, he's gotta be disciplined enough to know he's not goin' broke if he hits his 'K'. Pretty much is only in it to hit the flush. It's a bit of a goofy play (the preflop call of the utg limp is bad for many reasons) but once there's so much $'s in there & the fact that he's getting good implied odds for if he actually does hit his hand.

[Poker Orifice]

Yes I want everyone to call but Im speaking in terms of already knowing whats to come.

Pretty sure we don't want 'everyone' to call the raise here... with big pr's while playing deepstacked we typically want to raise for value but also to get the hand HU or 3players to the flop.

[Poker Orifice]

BUt I do it opposite, My pot was only around $100 I had top 2 pair on flop but 2 clubs on board, there were a bunch of limpers but me and some other guy folded everyone around with raises. River card was a club and dude lead out a strong river bet and like a dumbass I folded and he shows and has NOTHING. SO it did 2 things, it fucked with my head, and all I could do was see most of my chips in his stack and I couldnt get it together after that.

Were you first to act on the river? Depending upon villain (player reads & history with villain & what we think he perceives about how we're playing... & what we think he thinks we have... & what we think he thinks that we think he thinks we have (LOL).... If I'm first to act I'm probably bet/fold river (but 'it depends'... as in above... along with how deep we both are).