Discuss - Slow Playing in Poker

[scrawnybob]

hi all

Lets get some feedback on strategy for slow playing ...

Slow Playing in Poker

When a player is dealt a monster hand or flops a strong hand it is then a matter of how to extract the most value

cheers scrawnybob

[FreakuenC]

Most strong hands i raise 3-4 times if blinds are big , if starting of sng or soemthing shove it all in ... someone with A4 will call

however!! if there are only 2-3 players behind u...
It would be a waste to go allin with AA or KK, just call (slowplay) and wait till someone makes a bet... allthough if u have a straightdraw flop or flush draw flop dont call, raise badly so u make em pay for it otherwise if there are no risks just call, keep calling untilthe risk is getting to big, raise more... but most of time just call until river than betpot or something

anyway thats how i play it ... i'm no pro or somthing ... so check what sits you the best.

grtz Bart

[TeeKae]

From all of us who seem to be lucky to get anything better than 7-2 off in the big blind:
I strongly encourage everyone to keep slow playing those monsters. Thanks.

[Whatsthepassword?]

Slow playing is risky, but it's a great way to build a pot. Only do it if you've got a great hand. Otherwise it'll end in tears.

[FreakuenC]

Originally Posted by Whatsthepassword?

Slow playing is risky, but it's a great way to build a pot. Only do it if you've got a great hand. Otherwise it'll end in tears.

but on preflop, if u have bighand and u limp (slowplay) and lots of players call or u let big blind check for free; flop gives lets say 297 en big blind has 29 and u have AA u just killed urself ... like i said... if tere are lots of players behing u , atleast 3bet...

slow playing i a risky case. I got screwed lots of times and i dont slow preflop anymore, i ussely do 3bet and someone with A9 or AJ will call ... than on flop check and let him raise the rest

anyway goodluck on ur game

[scrawnybob]

hi

I think that just slow playing big hands as a "one size fits all move" IS BAD but then that pretty much is the case for any kind of formulaic play at anything above 0.50/1

there are definate advantages to slow play sometimes - ultimately you dont want a family pot - but equally you dont want no action either

IMHO if making a 3x BB raise or whatever raise in early position is going to be obvious (and it is) that you hold a decent PP 10's or higher then you have to think a few more steps ahead

ie. if you have noticed and "know" with some certainty that the players on the button and late postition will mostly always make the text book late position / button steal raise then why why make a raise early ??

IMHO this is valid and if you've been observant you know when this will work ...

call, let others limp, let late position raise (maybe button re-raises) (maybe blinds feel the steal and call / re-re-raise) then its back to you ... dive in with however big a bet you feel is needed to get it down to you and one other player and your aiming to get them pot committed really preflop (this is asumming you have AA or KK NOT cr*p like AK off) with hands like QQ, JJ, 1010 you might want to bet as light as you can to cut the field but NOT get pot committed yourself

really with 10's / 9's / 8's you probably should have played it maybe with a stopper bet in the preflop plan (ie that 2x 3x BB raise)

Its all stuff to think about and that itself will improve all players strategy

cheers scrawnybob

[FreakuenC]

Originally Posted by scrawnybob

hi

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ie. if you have noticed and "know" with some certainty that the players on the button and late postition will mostly always make the text book late position / button steal raise then why why make a raise early ??

IMHO this is valid and if you've been observant you know when this will work ...

call, let others limp, let late position raise (maybe button re-raises) (maybe blinds feel the steal and call / re-re-raise) then its back to you ... dive in with however big a bet you feel is needed to get it down to you and one other player and your aiming to get them pot committed really preflop (this is asumming you have AA or KK NOT cr*p like AK off) with hands like QQ, JJ, 1010 you might want to bet as light as you can to cut the field but NOT get pot committed yourself

really with 10's / 9's / 8's you probably should have played it maybe with a stopper bet in the preflop plan (ie that 2x 3x BB raise)

Its all stuff to think about and that itself will improve all players strategy

cheers scrawnybob

verry true (+1)
but at PKR (my most favorite room) they dont steal blinds that fast , only in tourneys when blinds are +2000 ... but still verry true!!

thnx for the advice, grtz

[ND1991]

Neat question. And slow playing for me depends on the table and whether and I am live or online. Online, often AA and KK best play is to push, I get callers quite a bit online especially if you have been playing aggressive all along.

Live a 2.5x to 3x is a nice raise. Online I prefer 4x to 5x, too many people call 3x online for some reason. And someone pointed out, but monsters are monsters heads-up against a field of 3, 4, or more AA is not a favorite against everyone else combined.

Also, cash game I am more willing to slow play these for the payout. In a tournament, these getting cracked because you cannot lay them down and getting crippled is rough.

Those are just personal opinions of course.

[villaridge]

slow playing is dangerous. period.

I'm looking at who I trying it against, position, and table cards texture

[pirates831]

it all depends on the table, the situation, the opponent.

For instance:

Just got dealt KK in a 6-handed SNG. 3 of us left. 2 cash. I'm the shortstack.

Blinds are 100 200 and I have a little more than 2000 left. Button folds. SB raises to 400. I raise it to 1000 and he shoves. I instacall. He has A8. Flop is TJ4. Had I called instead of raising, two things would have happened. He would have shoved the flop way behind, or he would have check/folded to my shove. Either way is good for me. But me shoving and him calling allows him to see 5 cards. And, of course, he hits the A on the turn.