Do the cards count

[sos_egg_n]

Only if they watch sesame street



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[sos_egg_n]

u need to hit 2 pair at least to get paid....u can hit a j if u get action u probably bhind this hand can get u into to much trouble...dont foget even if u hit flushdraw on flop u still bhind to any pair.

odds of flopping flush draw is around 10-1 so u getting no where near correct odds bearing in my u still need to hit flush.

[mrspolarbear]

I would have to call it.

[ND1991]

I would fold and not even think about it. No reason to get messed up in this hand. Best case, the flop misses me and I can fold then. Worst case is the flop hits me with J high or 4 to flush or even flush and I have already lost and don't know it.

Of course, if I am playing crazy and think the 2.5x raise is crap, and I know the caller to be loose, I could consider a big raise steal here with hope that early position is low pocket pair and I am in race (highly unlikely, why I used "hope").

Without knowing the following, the only play IMO is to lay it down:
1) how many left in tournament
2) how many cash
3) what are the chip stacks of the two in the hand
4) what is average chip stack at this point
5) how long have i been playing
6) am i tired

:-)

[Poker Orifice]

Curious.... what is the point of the question OP?

Also curious... why are others concerned with how many til' they hit the cash? Does this alter your play in a spot like this?

I love seeing the 'FlushMasters' on my table - - the guys who'll call any bets out of position even cuz they hold KXs, QXs, JXs. Generally speaking they are usually really bad players.

[ND1991]

Well as for "how far to cash". Prior to this hand, there are still enough chips to make a run IMO. However, if you make this call and don't grab the pot you are going to need to make a play someplace.

If I am close to the cash line, then this is an easy fold as the conditions are not right. If I am far from the cash line, then maybe I see this as a chance play.

I try not to play too much tighter near a cash line, but I definitely have less gamble there.

[doubleaa80]

odds of hitting this are not good and definitely negative ev. If you knew the players better and figured that he would fold to a good bluff, might be a good time to play him, make him make the mistake. It really depends on how balanced the game was

[Ramster]

Curious.... what is the point of the question OP?

The point of the question is when do pot odds dictate your actions rather than the cards you hold

Also i was just wondering how others would play in this situation
I will leave it open for a bit longer befor revealing what happened

[Washerwoman]

I could recite some poetry here but I will just put:

Fold

Exit, pursued by a bear

[madjek]

Since WW resurected this thread, I'll throw my 2 cents in, I do consider pot odds in BB. Even if you're dominated by one of them (say K J) and other has A K you still win 1 in 5. Pot has 4100? (2 callers X 1600 SB 300 and your BB 600). You have less than 12 blinds left if you fold, over 10 if you call, are you really in that much worse shape if you call and have to fold. You're close to shove or fold anyway, I think it's worth taking a chance and calling to see a flop and maybe try and outplay other 2 after flop or get lucky or fold if you're feeling it after flop. Like I said, you're still in about the same position. That's my opinion.

I saw you said you'll leave this open for a while before you give results, is 7 months long enough?