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    Dan, like I said you have a hunger for the game of poker knowledge, and I applaud that.

    Study, learn, and apply. It takes time, but it is worth it. I cant stress enough tho, that you MUST have a solid FOUNDATION in basic poker principles, BEFORE you move on to higher theory.

    Let me give u an example. I have a couple of poker mentors that have coached me. ok, u should be thinking..."what a poker mentor???" They are hard to find, lol, and no one mentors unless u got promise and KNOW FUNDAMENTALS.

    It took me 2 years of play and study to be able to have conversations with my mentors about a hand where I had high pair and a flush on the board, and my read on a player and how I played the hand. Just today I was in just such a convo with him, and I want to show you his response to illustrate how much study poker needs.

    "The easiest way to find EV is to pick a decision point. I think the turn is a good one here, because it's the one decision I don't like (would have bet bigger on the flop, too). Your EV is the sum of every possible "event" times how often that event happens. So when you call this turn, the possible events are: Non-diamond falls/you bluff and lose, non-D falls/you bluff and win, D falls/bluff lose, D falls/bluff win. Then you assign probabilities to them. We have 2 categories: diamond and non diamond rivers, with probabilities ~18.6% and ~81.4% respectively.

    Then, you (subjectively) assign percentages to the possibilities within those categories. If a D falls on the river, maybe you win with a bluff 80% of the time. If no D falls, maybe you win 40% of the time with a bluff.

    Then, use the following equation:
    EV = .186*(.4*potsize - .6*Bluffsize) + .814*(.8*potsize - .2*bluffsize)

    This is the kind of stuff you do roughly in your head in-game, but if you figure out breakeven fold % for bluffs in certain spots off the tables you're a step ahead. "

    lol Dan. gl

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    I think you're on the right track & actually REALLY enjoy reading your posts on here (it adds new life in a big way!).
    Just understanding that there is sooooooo much more to learn is GOOD THING (it's much more common for most players to believe they are very good players & have little to learn). What I've found is... the more I learn, the more I realize that there is just soooooo much more to learn AND that before I was nowhere near as good as I 'assumed' I was. This leads me to believe that I am still not that great/good.... as I'll be looking back on my game a year from now & be thinking.. "Wow... I sure had alot more to learn back then" but at least I won't have to add.. "Wow.. I sure had alot to learn back then & didn't even know it" (because I DO know it... I do know that there'll be much more to learn.... still seems like there won't be though, LOL... at least as far as tournament play goes... I feel I've pretty much exhausted the subject to death & have read 'almost' every single decent tournament book out there on the market, have watched over 200hrs. of tournament poker training vids., etc. etc.
    There IS LOTS for me to learn though still... for one I need to put in a TON of volume so all this stuff becomes more intuitive for me (although I find it becoming more intuitive all the time... as will YOU... although I'm certain you already are... or have been from the get go... even if it feels like a TON of stuff to be thinking about at the time).

    Keep on posting 'Dan Abnormal'... it's refreshing to read your posts on here (your typing will get faster in time too.... ie I used to have to think about where the keys were for certain letters.. even having to look down for stuff like x, z q, etc. (oops... I just peeked now).. but afterawhile when typing I find I'm thinking in words instead of letters... something like how playing poker becomes intuitive too.. it's a process AND I believe you're heading in the right dircetion... in a BIG WAY!! Keep it up!
    (as far as sentence structure, etc.,.. who cares. It's way more interesting to just read it as it comes out in your thought process).
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