Since I lack the self discipline to implement some concepts I do understand why they are correct that is not posted about here, I do not consider myself a very good player, or else I would be implementing them already (even though I play micros), so do not take offense to anything I post here.
asonofbob, you say that on TV, your going to be laughed at and ridiculed by many people around the world. I would remember you for that before remembering you for winning the WSOP. Since you cannot handle beats rationally (really no other way to put it, sorry), you will never get to anyway until you can. I can take them and even welcome them since the other player made mistakes and them making mistakes makes me money. If I made the mistakes in the hand, then its my fault anyway. I probably never will win it either so we are both in the same boat millions of others are in. I would be lucky just to get to play in it in the first place lol.
I do play cash games on Stars, in fact almost all my play is cash. Mostly on Cake, not because Stars is rigged, its just that Cake has more fish willing to play for more money so I keep most of my BR there to play higher levels against them. I do play more than an average person does though on Stars through multisiting/tabling. Yes I win on Stars, yes I withdraw, yes I win some more, yes I withdraw again (getting to the point I withdraw from Stars every week or two just playing micro ring games where more of these supposedly rigged suckouts happen). Rinse and repeat, and each time I withdraw I leave some of the winnings online to grow my BR a bit. Slow and steady is my strategy, I have become a BR nit for the most part actually.
Bigger stacks will always suck out more than smaller stacks, they can afford to try to suckout. When I have a big stack advantage against the others, I will artificially inflate the blinds with bigger raises to put more pressure on the smaller stacks (Several times I have had such a stack advantage on a ring table my standard raise was 20BB even with junk, on a max 100BB buy in table. Even the ones I doubled up had no effect on my play, I wound up getting it all back anyway plus what they had sat with. Most was too stupid to just take the double up and leave. Greed, frustration, and impatience caused them to lose it all. It was just too expensive for them to play and I wondered why they would even sit down, much less line up to play knowing every hand they played against me was going to be for their stack. Yes, I fully admit I was sucking out most of the time. I was going to suckout before their stack became a threat even if they doubled up a few times, so why not? Now you don't have to wonder how in the world someone can manage to get a 30-40+ BI stack at a table, that is one way to manage it at least for me.). If I raise and a very short stack shoves, I am probably calling as I am likely getting odds to do so. Give me the right odds to call you while showing me you have AA, I am calling. Does that make me a donk? Not at all, donking would be folding when I have correct odds to call, The donk play would be you giving me the correct odds (real or implied) to call with it in the first place. Remember that if your the type to limp or min raise inviting people into the pot trying to trap them with it and you get sucked out on trying to be too greedy. AA is just a pair, most hands in HE are won by two pair or better hands, quit going broke on a hand with just a pair, not saying to just fold them, but dont be willing to go broke every time, especially when it becomes clear your beat. Your OP tells me you do go broke with just a pair too much, and I would play weaker hands against you knowing that when I am sure you have premium hands. If I don't have you beat I am folding flop, If I have you beat (aka I am a donk sucking out on you all the time.) I am getting it all in when your more than willing to do so and then your here or somewhere else complaining about a site being rigged and you getting sucked out on. At least I hope (ok, I will be honest, I really hope your still at the table playing on tilt.) you would be, rather than playing on tilt which is just going to make it worse for you. Your OP tells me you tilt as well, which again, is making you a target while your not even able to play your best. Do you even realize with your mindset towards Stars that would make you start this thread, your already tilting as you log into Stars to play? Of course your going to lose more on Stars when your tilting than you are on other sites where you do not have that negative attitude. Tilt on the other sites, and you will lose just like you do on Stars.
Are you starting to see and think about all the other ways a player can cause themselves to be sucked out on yet? Here is a hint for you. That donk that constantly sucks out on you and stacks you all the time but you rarely win a decent pot against, its not a donk your up against. It is someone exploiting your play (very bad players I will even condition them, at a pretty cheap cost to myself to do so, to play against me a certain way so I can exploit them playing that way later). Rethink your strategy when your in hands against them. If it was a donk, they would not constantly be sucking out on you while you never get good pots back out of them.
After a suckout, the first thing you should be concerned with, is not the pot or money you lost, but did you play the hand the best way you knew how? Yes? Good, be happy your making money. If your still not winning overall, its not the site, its not the donks, its you so study and learn to play even more correctly. I know its hard to think and realize your making money after you lose a big pot that you got sucked out on, but you are. Once you get that concept wrapped up in your head it is a good thing to get sucked out on (that bingo moment when I finally got it, totally changed my game for the better. I had trouble as well for a very long time about suckouts too.), congratulations, you just improved your game alot and you become a better player the instant you do. Your chances of going on tilt just went way down as well. You are also not entitled to the pot, or even the money you have put into the pot no matter what your cards are until either everyone else has folded, or you have the best hand at showdown. If neither of those are true, you got exactly what you was entitled to, nothing. So until that point, do not expect to get anything.
Rake, the sites get rake no matter who wins the pot in ring games. The site gets the same amount from MTT/SNG's from each player. When you rebuy there is no rake on the rebuy. What is the sites incentive of favoring one player over another when people that lose that play for any reason other than entertainment always eventually quit playing? They quit playing, the site loses money from them not playing.
Yes pros will make more final tables online. They make more live as well, are all the live dealers rigging the live games too? Are all the live dealers conspiring along with the casinos and tournament directors before the tournament so they know who is supposed to be winning over hundreds of different tables as people get moved around? Do you prefer to play against players that are worse than your skill level, instead of players that are even or above your skill level right? If yes, why? There is the answer that blows your theory away on that statement.
Tired of typing... still more to say but meh. Most of this is just a basic fundamental concept of the game anyway that you seem to not have or understand, whether you realize it or not at this point. Trying to get you to understand a few things and once you do, you will realize the sites are not rigged, fixed, or predictable. If you really think its predictable, you would have a massive advantage and would want to play on stars exclusively right? Wanna play on stars?
I know you will be tilting, so I feel I have a edge against you for that reason alone. Lets face it, no one really plays against someone unless they think they have some sort of edge anyway.
GL at the tables man.
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Originally Posted by Nerice
honestly
donkeys gets ypur money, PS rake and u anger. if I win ever WSOP, I'll officially declare on TV that PS is BS
