Pokerstars fixed!

[aSonOfBob]

I'm totally sure that Pokerstars is the worst fixed site, I'm playing there for 5 years and I'm abolutely sure that their soft so predictable, donkey player wins with any stupid hands like 2 7 off by river always, not even turn only river, otherwise u can fold u hand and don't bet, so they make ur hand the best until river and boom, u lose to donkey with 2 7. eveyone happy but you donkeys gets ypur money, PS rake and u anger. if I win ever WSOP, I'll officially declare on TV that PS is BS

[pokerking00]

The biggest online tables are not rigged,just bad players.

Im fed up of hearing they are rigged,because someone gets bad beats there

If you constantly won,you wouldnt be complaining

[aSonOfBob]

it's not bad beat, I was playing there for last 5 years, and I can surely say i can even predict river cards upon all-ins. if I was the only guy complyning on PS u r wrong, lots of ppl got sick with PS. u ever played real cash game there? have u ever won anything? if it is world biggist site it does not mean that they are fair. Poker sites use poker software that can programmed that ppl with big stack can get better hands then other or their hands can become the strongest after river, so ppl with few money try to bet more and more to beat him, by the end they lose all, Pokerstars does not get the money directly, but they get rakes which depends on POT size, so u by betting give them your money. U lose and try to rebuy or add on, so more money involved more money they make.
u never interested why only PROs or PS Team members gets to the final table on online tournament, u think they played better then others? not always, I've seen many times PROs wins with craps even. it's made to make sure they reaches the final table, and guys like you will always say themselves wow how good playaz these PROs, and try their luck and I don't think all strike that luck ever.
thanks

[pokerking00]

sorry^ had a bit of a rant there,


yes,they do rig it to get bigger pots,such as giving a flush and straight to two people in a hand,or seeing a royal,so much more likely then real life, but it definately does not rig in anybodys favour,or else the law would make an investingation,dont you think?

[aSonOfBob]

it cannot to be proved as it's software and can changed anytime, they never do the same with huge players as they can appeal, I'm telling as much u have money in your bank better hand u get, even with free chips u can cheak that, just try to watch some tables where chipleader wins anyhands if they play even all in a row.

[derringer007]

I'm so F-ING tired of people saying that online poker is rigged. If you think OL poker is rigged DONT PLAY. I will bet that every one that posts a complaint that OL poker is rigged still plays, And will continue to play and continue to complain. You have two options (#1) Shut up and play and quit complaining. (#2) Don't play. Simple as that.

[scrawnybob]

hi

just to clarify in one of the previous post is factually incorrect (I've now deleted it for legal reasons)

PokerStars was NOT, has NOT and is NOT involved in any kind of cheating scandal

the two sites involved (owned at the same company were) Absolute Poker & UltimateBet and this was over two years ago ... the delete post named one site wrongly

please make sure you get facts right before naming companies wrongly - while the 60 minutes tv programme was inaccurate with alot of things - at least they correctly named the companies that were involved

there is a whole load of information etc on the UltimateBet / Absolute cheating in our blog here ...

UltimateBet & Absolute Poker Cheating

cheers scrawnybob

[aSonOfBob]

I'm so F-ING tired of people saying that online poker is rigged. If you think OL poker is rigged DONT PLAY. I will bet that every one that posts a complaint that OL poker is rigged still plays, And will continue to play and continue to complain. You have two options (#1) Shut up and play and quit complaining. (#2) Don't play. Simple as that.

first of all I DID not say that online poker rigged, I said their soft fixed, so it can be predictable, they use some kinda paterns, and it's not only me tons of ppl can prove it. afwul river or fixed river used at all poker softwares, but in pokerstars it's too much predictable, and I said just my opinion by joke that I'll declare LIVE on TV PS is BS if I win WSOP
and it's my right to say PS fixed or not fixed, so u have 2 options: 1. Shut up and don't reply to posts so rude. 2. just F..k off.

[scrawnybob]

hi

just to add two things -

the ultimatebet / absolute cheating which was by a very few members of high level staff (ex staff) was about being able to view hole cards - not exploiting some kind of inconsistency in the RNG ...

how were the cheaters found ???

by vigilance of online poker players noticing inconsistencies in the win rate ... these same keen online poker geeks are playing and tracking hand histories (after the event) on 1000's upon 1000's of hands at LOTS of poker sites ...

they are looking constantly for issues with the RNG's ... yet the UB/ Absolute scandal is the only problem they have flagged up after looking at 100's of 1000's of hands at loads of sites

so IF they're really was an issue at other sites - we would hear about it - and from people with respectable evidence of the RNG's not being RNG's ... the millions of posts about rigged RNG's arent backed up with 100,000+ hand history basis required to show an inconsisency

yet their are plenty of players / groups of players who have this number of histories and have gone through them - thats how they found cheating BUT NOT rigged RNG's

I've had phases where I can convince myself at xyz site flush draws aways come off, or at abc site the river always comes an ace if the card before was red etc

but the reality is that I can play at other sites for a while and go back site xyz or abc and not see those trends again ... the reality is a single rec / moderate level player just doesnt have enough hand histories to make a statistically strong arguement to suggest the RNGs are fixed in a certain way - either at one site or another in different or similar ways

seriously I could be convinced my home poker game is rigged on some of the hands Ive seen, or the last live game I played - yet clearly it isnt

cheers scrawnybob

[aSonOfBob]

maybe but i noticed some kinda strange things happened with other ppl while I folded my cards, like AA vs. KK, many times I saw river is always Q with flop/turn 9 10 J A.
I mean it maybe was done to make playing every hand more interesting and to make some ppl go tilt so they'll buy in again and start betting aggressively.