The loser on pokerstars

[disgruntledone]

THE LOSER: shows [Qs 8s] (a flush, Queen high)
Stalker_Prof: shows [Ad 9d] (a full house, Nines full of Deuces)
leppidekki collected 2360 from pot
Stalker_Prof collected 2360 from pot

THE LOSER finished the tournament in 314th place

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4720 | Rake 0
Board [2h 9s 7s 2s 9h]
Seat 1: floppy2103 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: ayubmusiate (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: ADMIRAL0711 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: leppidekki showed [Jd 9c] and won (2360) with a full house, Nines full of Deuces
Seat 5: KK Maker KK folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: THE LOSER showed [Qs 8s] and lost with a flush, Queen high
Seat 7: asalimas folded on the Flop
Seat 8: Stalker_Prof showed [Ad 9d] and won (2360) with a full house, Nines full of Deuces
Seat 9: Vitrin381 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


RUNNER RUNNER FULL HOUSE..CASE 9???? NUFF SAID


SECOND GAME TWO SECONDS LATER

PokerStars Game #63005821804: Tournament #401593720, $0.02+$0.00 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (25/50) - 2011/06/05 22:33:48 PT [2011/06/06 1:33:48 ET]
Table '401593720 92' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: collectar (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: THE LOSER (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: Stykito (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: Valdes 3000 (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: omealone (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: FORCE EIGHT (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: dieguito9140 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: DISTINI (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: INOKI777 (1500 in chips) is sitting out
collectar: posts the ante 10
stoverat: posts the ante 10
Stykito: posts the ante 10
Valdes 3000: posts the ante 10
omealone: posts the ante 10
FORCE EIGHT: posts the ante 10
dieguito9140: posts the ante 10
DISTINI: posts the ante 10
INOKI777: posts the ante 10
THE LOSER: posts small blind 25
Stykito: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to THE LOSER [8s 4c]
Valdes 3000: folds
omealone: calls 50
FORCE EIGHT: folds
dieguito9140: folds
DISTINI: folds
INOKI777: folds
collectar: folds
THE LOSER: calls 25
Stykito: checks
*** FLOP *** [4h 5s Kh]
THE LOSER: bets 150
Stykito: folds
omealone: calls 150
*** TURN *** [4h 5s Kh] [8h]
THE LOSER: bets 1290 and is all-in
omealone: calls 1290 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [4h 5s Kh 8h] [2s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
THE LOSER: shows [8s 4c] (two pair, Eights and Fours)
omealone: shows [6d 3h] (a straight, Deuce to Six)
omealone collected 3120 from pot
THE LOSER finished the tournament in 957th place


*** SUMMARY *** (TOTAL GARBAGE CRUSHES TOTAL GARBAGE)

Total pot 3120 | Rake 0
Board [4h 5s Kh 8h 2s]
Seat 1: collectar (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: THE LOSER(small blind) showed [8s 4c] and lost with two pair, Eights and Fours
Seat 3: Stykito (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Valdes 3000 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: omealone showed [6d 3h] and won (3120) with a straight, Deuce to Six
Seat 6: FORCE EIGHT folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: dieguito9140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DISTINI folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: INOKI777 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

i DONT USUALLY PLAY LIKE THIS, BUT i HAD JUST TAKEN ALMOST ALL OF MY MONEY OFF THE SITE BECAUSE i AM DONE ON POKERSTARS..CAUSE THIS STUFF HAPPENS ALL THE TIME...IT DOES NOT BOTHER ME OF COURSE IN SUCH LITTLE SILLY GAMES, BUT WHEN YOU ARE PLAYING IN A BIG BUY IN TOURNEY OR A HIGHER STAKES RING GAME AND THIS STUFF HAPPENS..YOU CAN NOT WIN...SORRY....POKERSTARS IS A SHAM!!!!!!

DISGRUNTLED

[disgruntledone]

The first part of this thread was deleted for some reason...

THE SET UP...but you get the idea....


the final board was (2h, 9s, 7s, turn 2s giving me what I was looking for the Q high flush...and then the river...9h..to complete the boat)

TYPICAL DELUXE SET UP EXTRAVAGANZA AT POKERSTARS!!!!

TWO TOURNIES, TWO HANDS..TOO THE COUCH..:OP
AND THATS HOW THIS HOMEY ROLLS ON POKERSTARS...

[Assistanc3]

let me break this down for you real and simple

You think your a good poker player, read some books, watched video's, read different articles on the net and maybe even had some poker training from a better player. The time and effort you have put in, feeling like you should be rewarded for it...

Poker is a game of variance, bad hands win, bad beats happen.
The numbers don't lie, if it can happen, it will happen in the game of poker.

Now, your (disgruntledone) biggest mistake is level of thinking.

My guess is your a level 3 (can put your opponent on a hand) but the problem is your opponents are level 1 thinkers, and they only know what they see infront of them. When you playing poker you can only play 1 level ahead of your opponent or else you will find yourself playing yourself, and you will always come out as a loser in the long run.

The next mistake is playing $0.02 No Limit Hold'em Tournaments
first hand of the tournament it folds around to you and then limp from the small blind with garbage? Then bet bottom pair? Then push all-in with out the nuts or a made hand.

"THIS STUFF HAPPENS" is why I play poker and make money.
Because good players take advantage of good players when they make mistakes.

you don't have to play perfect to be a profitable player,
but you do have to limit your mistakes to break even.

[disgruntledone]

let me break this down for you real and simple

You think your a good poker player, read some books, watched video's, read different articles on the net and maybe even had some poker training from a better player. The time and effort you have put in, feeling like you should be rewarded for it...

Poker is a game of variance, bad hands win, bad beats happen.
The numbers don't lie, if it can happen, it will happen in the game of poker.

Now, your (disgruntledone) biggest mistake is level of thinking.

My guess is your a level 3 (can put your opponent on a hand) but the problem is your opponents are level 1 thinkers, and they only know what they see infront of them. When you playing poker you can only play 1 level ahead of your opponent or else you will find yourself playing yourself, and you will always come out as a loser in the long run.

The next mistake is playing $0.02 No Limit Hold'em Tournaments
first hand of the tournament it folds around to you and then limp from the small blind with garbage? Then bet bottom pair? Then push all-in with out the nuts or a made hand.

"THIS STUFF HAPPENS" is why I play poker and make money.
Because good players take advantage of good players when they make mistakes.

you don't have to play perfect to be a profitable player,
but you do have to limit your mistakes to break even.

I know it was a mistake..I am testing some theories about POKERSTARS in the lowest level tournies..what I am trying to say is that the cards come in a certain way in Pokerstars as to absolutely maximize the action....Why is it that in heads up situations preflop....both players hit and sometimes quite hard??? TWo pairs on that board is a big hand unless you really put your opponent on a flopped set..which in this case I did not.. I knew my two pair was good after the turn...absolutely...
anyways thanks for the response...I continue to learn

[nb1961]

Do you think you are the first to come on here with all this?

You are not

You aren't even the 10th or the 100th, this kind of post plagues poker forums everywhere. Most delete them straight away, some move them to the loony bin

But when it comes down to it we are all poker players of one skill level or another on here, I think it's fair to say most of us have played or do play at Pokerstars. I think it's also fair to say most of us think you are talking bollocks Have a nice day

[Poker Orifice]

THE LOSER: shows [Qs 8s] (a flush, Queen high)
Stalker_Prof: shows [Ad 9d] (a full house, Nines full of Deuces)
leppidekki collected 2360 from pot
Stalker_Prof collected 2360 from pot

THE LOSER finished the tournament in 314th place

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4720 | Rake 0
Board [2h 9s 7s 2s 9h]
Seat 1: floppy2103 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: ayubmusiate (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: ADMIRAL0711 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: leppidekki showed [Jd 9c] and won (2360) with a full house, Nines full of Deuces
Seat 5: KK Maker KK folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: THE LOSER showed [Qs 8s] and lost with a flush, Queen high
Seat 7: asalimas folded on the Flop
Seat 8: Stalker_Prof showed [Ad 9d] and won (2360) with a full house, Nines full of Deuces
Seat 9: Vitrin381 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


RUNNER RUNNER FULL HOUSE..CASE 9???? NUFF SAID


SECOND GAME TWO SECONDS LATER

PokerStars Game #63005821804: Tournament #401593720, $0.02+$0.00 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (25/50) - 2011/06/05 22:33:48 PT [2011/06/06 1:33:48 ET]
Table '401593720 92' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: collectar (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: THE LOSER (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: Stykito (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: Valdes 3000 (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: omealone (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: FORCE EIGHT (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: dieguito9140 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: DISTINI (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: INOKI777 (1500 in chips) is sitting out
collectar: posts the ante 10
stoverat: posts the ante 10
Stykito: posts the ante 10
Valdes 3000: posts the ante 10
omealone: posts the ante 10
FORCE EIGHT: posts the ante 10
dieguito9140: posts the ante 10
DISTINI: posts the ante 10
INOKI777: posts the ante 10
THE LOSER: posts small blind 25
Stykito: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to THE LOSER [8s 4c]
Valdes 3000: folds
omealone: calls 50
FORCE EIGHT: folds
dieguito9140: folds
DISTINI: folds
INOKI777: folds
collectar: folds
THE LOSER: calls 25
Stykito: checks
*** FLOP *** [4h 5s Kh]
THE LOSER: bets 150
Stykito: folds
omealone: calls 150
*** TURN *** [4h 5s Kh] [8h]
THE LOSER: bets 1290 and is all-in
omealone: calls 1290 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [4h 5s Kh 8h] [2s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
THE LOSER: shows [8s 4c] (two pair, Eights and Fours)
omealone: shows [6d 3h] (a straight, Deuce to Six)
omealone collected 3120 from pot
THE LOSER finished the tournament in 957th place


*** SUMMARY *** (TOTAL GARBAGE CRUSHES TOTAL GARBAGE)

Total pot 3120 | Rake 0
Board [4h 5s Kh 8h 2s]
Seat 1: collectar (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: THE LOSER(small blind) showed [8s 4c] and lost with two pair, Eights and Fours
Seat 3: Stykito (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Valdes 3000 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: omealone showed [6d 3h] and won (3120) with a straight, Deuce to Six
Seat 6: FORCE EIGHT folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: dieguito9140 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DISTINI folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: INOKI777 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

i DONT USUALLY PLAY LIKE THIS, BUT i HAD JUST TAKEN ALMOST ALL OF MY MONEY OFF THE SITE BECAUSE i AM DONE ON POKERSTARS..CAUSE THIS STUFF HAPPENS ALL THE TIME...IT DOES NOT BOTHER ME OF COURSE IN SUCH LITTLE SILLY GAMES, BUT WHEN YOU ARE PLAYING IN A BIG BUY IN TOURNEY OR A HIGHER STAKES RING GAME AND THIS STUFF HAPPENS..YOU CAN NOT WIN...SORRY....POKERSTARS IS A SHAM!!!!!!

DISGRUNTLED

So you've played terribly in a game where most of the players have ZERO clue (or could care less) & because a couple of hands out of a zillion turn out poorly for you (after playing them even worse), your conclusion is > Pokerstars is a sham????????????
buy a book, read it, buy another, read it, read them both again. Learn how to play... 'gg'

Just reading your name on here 'disgruntled' tells me alot. "IF" you want to be open-minded & truly learn this game, there is plenty of oppurtunity for that on this forum. It's your choice... you decide.

[Poker Orifice]

Not showing the action of the first hand also speaks volumes. (me thinks there's a reason you haven't shown it.... my guess.. 'you slowplayed it...thinking you were bein' tricky & probably even raised on the river & then called a reraise allin on a paired board). Why are you playing QXs in the first place? (if you showed then action of the hand & stated a reason for playing it... maybe it'd be ok... but I kinda doubt it).
On a more positive note. As I mentioned in prior post > "IF" you really want to learn how to play this game, keep an open-mind & STUDY, STUDY, STUDY.. ask questions, post hands in their entirety, explain your reasons for betting, then STUDY, STUDY, STUDY, review some more, & STUDY some more. You'll be on the right track. There is oppurtunity here to get better (if you're interested).
Know this > most players who are relatively new to the game & who 'think' they are good players, usually aren't good players. I am no exception to this.

[Assistanc3]

I know it was a mistake..

then don't do it....

I am testing some theories about POKERSTARS in the lowest level tournies

You won't learn anything, because
players will play bad at lower levels, ie:

I know it was a mistake..

..what I am trying to say is that the cards come in a certain way in Pokerstars as to absolutely maximize the action....Why is it that in heads up situations preflop....both players hit and sometimes quite hard???

For both of the players involved to see and know that both players hit the flop hard, it would have to go to a showdown. Yes sometimes 2 players in a hand hit a flop, that is just the luck of the draw. The odds and probabilities says it has a better chance then wining the lottery, but you don't want to win the lottery either.

It's math, you have understand and learn poker probabilities
read these two articles on Wikipedia
Poker probability - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Poker probability (Texas hold 'em) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

make that 3 articles: Losing less IS Winning more | 4kingpoker.com

TWo pairs on that board is a big hand unless you really put your opponent on a flopped set..which in this case I did not.. I knew my two pair was good after the turn...absolutely...

Yes 2 pair is a big hand, but at that level $0.02 buyin (and higher) people will call on draws, people will have a better hand, people will out river you. By going all-in on the first hand with out the nuts, you are telling yourself... you are not good enough to OUT PLAY your opponents. A push and shove poker does not take skill and it is not wining poker.

anyways thanks for the response...I continue to learn

"IF" you really want to learn how to play this game, keep an open-mind & STUDY, STUDY, STUDY.. ask questions, post hands in their entirety, explain your reasons for betting, then STUDY, STUDY, STUDY, review some more, & STUDY some more. You'll be on the right track. There is oppurtunity here to get better (if you're interested).

opportunity doesn't knock everyday,
and the most enjoyable part of playing poker, is learning poker.

[scrawnybob]

hi

its really important to remember (epecially when you think you've hit the nut flush or made a decent flush)

ANY paired board offers a Full House possibiliy

thats any single pair on the board

you might make your flush but if someone is sat with a pocket pair and the board pairs they have 2 pair and if they've already hit their pair and made trips then they have a FH

I know that sounds really obvious but its very often missed - you get excited making a straight or a flush ...

you figure you have the "best" straight or the better end of a flush and think your good to go ...

check for pairs on the board because if there is one then trips making a FH is possible

if there are two pairs then its very very possible / likely someone has a Full House

then you need to start playing that hand back through your head to piece it back together and arrive at a conclusion

particularly if there is king, ace or pictures on the board which pair on the river as people will tend to hang in longer

cheers SB

[Washerwoman]

very good advice, oh great one!

I often fail to realise the full house danger in my enthusiasm until too late...

i will be watching the board with a hawkeye now...

if i get to stay in long enough for him to show his winning hand and find i'd have won with my grotty straight/flush, i'll be back to see ya