Poker Stars Needs a Fix,, Rigging ?

[rgchan]

I see so many HUGE Hands clash at Poker Stars and Coolers that would increase the amounts of the Pots in Cash Ring games.The bigger the Pots and the bigger the RAKE for Poker Stars.But i don,t think they care who WINS just that the Pots are Huge and they make more on the Rake.
But now the S/W here.How can you trust this.Write it off and hope it was only a glitch.By the BB sizes it was well into the late stages of a tournament so i would be p*ssed off if i was the Big Stack here.
*** 5 ACES *** The Chat comments say it all.

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[nb1961]

This has been around since about 2006, the picture is a fake. It does look good though, shame stoneface got banned he would love this

[scrawnybob]

lol

that reminds me of the screenshot of the party dealer which was allegedly proved online poker was rigged ...

if you looked very closely you could see he had an extra card up his sleeve ... literally and he was also dealing off the bottom of the deck

it was a somewhat clumsy photoshop attempt - but very entertaining

thats about as close as the foil hats have got to proving rigging

BTW juicing hands to get more action / max rake on a hand has been mathmatically proven that it would likely reduce the actual rake over an hour or so ... because less hands would get played because an "action" flop etc would take longer to play out - so actually to increase the rake they would be better to deal totally dead hands making only a little action

of course the other problem is that IF any of the sites were to juice or otherwise rig the RNG's etc by enough to actually increase their bottom line it would mean such an obvious bias from the expected norm all the geeks mining 100k hands + would have noticed it by now and publically called them out on 2+2 etc to win the worship status they would so love to have

cheers SB

[rgchan]

Yep, irresponsible on my part to Post something i saw somewhere without researching it.The game number alone should have tipped me off at how old this was.I thought the editing in the Chat Box was a good tough though.Besides i remember this and Poker Stars put out an official reply.

T# 14705493 was the $10 + $1 Deep Stacks tournament held on 12th
November 2005. The top four players in this event were:

"gamblinfla"
"MiketheKid2"
"twiceasright"
"witzy2004"

The player "Big Devin" didn't take part in this tournament.

Next, you can see the observer "style12" in chat on the
table. "style12" is not a User ID on our database as of June 2006 --
he doesn't exist.

There are also two hands mentioned here. One is # 3044245011 and the
other # 3044243120. I've attached them both below so that you can see
the hands as they originally happened. As you can see, the chip
stacks are totally consistent from one hand to the next. Further
more, "Big Devin" didn't take part.

Finally, it is clearly demonstrable that the image has been edited.
Attached please find a closeup of several of the cards on the screen.
If you look closely, you'll see that the ace of clubs is one pixel too
high. The prankster that tried to run this hoax was not quite careful
enough with his editing and left this evidence behind.

I hope that this sets your mind at ease, but if you have further
queries, please do not hesitate to let us know.

Best regards,

Dan C
PokerStars Support Team

[Poker Orifice]

I see so many HUGE Hands clash at Poker Stars and Coolers that would increase the amounts of the Pots in Cash Ring games.The bigger the Pots and the bigger the RAKE for Poker Stars.But i don,t think they care who WINS just that the Pots are Huge and they make more on the Rake.

Q. How much do you think the rake is on PokerStars?

A. On nlhe tables it is 5% (0.01/0.02 tables up to $50/$100 tables. $50/$100 & above it is 1%

Q. Yah but that could still be HUGE on the big pots that the rigged software dealin' up Monster Cooler Clashes causes (so they make more moniezz)...

A. There's a max. limit set on rake paid in any one hand. On stakes up to 25nl (0.10/0.25) that max. rake is $2.00 (so even if 3 100bb+ stacks clash, getting it allin (& say some are deeper than 100bb as if often the case... let's say even a 300-500bb pot = $75-$125 pot! It's only $2 max rake).

On tables 25nl to $50/$100 the max rake is $3.00
On tables higher than $50/$100 the max rake is $5
(these numbers are based on tables with 5+ players).

On the HeadsUp nlhe tables, the max. rake is only $0.50


Not sure how the theory of Monster Clashes holds up with this?

[Poker Orifice]

Believe it or not, the players that are getting dinged the most by 'rake' on PokerStars (& many other sites) are the micro stakes players.

[Akorps]

I could never really figure out the rake on Stars

[scrawnybob]

hi

PokerOrifice "Believe it or not, the players that are getting dinged the most by 'rake' on PokerStars (& many other sites) are the micro stakes players."

exactly that is what irritates me ... the whole 2+2 sitout thing is lead by nova elites etc that stand to loose a little bit, but are already getting a far better deal than the recreational & micro stakes players

I've never liked rakeback as a concept - because maybe 10-15% (at most of forum type players are aware of it and get it) ... and forum members are maybe at most 10-15% of the community as a whole

so basically rakeback rewards a relatively small number of players that "are in the know" (not all high stakes agreed) but the vast majority of poker players dont look at forums, dont look at strategy and dont worry about rake

the 2+2 forum's come out with statements like "the low / micro stakes players won't benefit from us playing a bit more rake - pokerstars will just make more money" ... well

yes in a way they might but even so a very sizable % of their "profit" actually goes into player development, tournament, land based tournaments in developing markets, bonuses etc etc ... and MAYBE if they had been able to make the bigger players pay a bit more (actually nearer the average) then they would have been able to put more back in at the bottom for the majority

a majority who are not vocal and in all likelihood have absolutely no idea their is even a fuss about it

this isnt a victory for players it's a victory for a vocal minority

cheers SB