Moving up in level

[Limey777]

Okay all you poker gurus, I'd be interested in hearing your theories on this matter. I guess it would apply more to the micro grinders.
I couldn’t help but notice how many posts there are about people going up in level and getting their bankroll annihilated.
I know quite a few regulars that are good players on the penny tables but when they move up, it’s kaboom followed by new deposit. It makes no sense to me. I’ve already heard the rigged theory but I would be interested in any other opinions on this problem that players are having.
Bankroll management? Blinds eating up stack faster causing desperation calls?
Seems to be a common problem with few explanations.

[Poker Orifice]

Perhaps players playing with scared money? I think you need to be rolled properly before considering making the move but maybe taking the occassional shot would be ok.
I do know there are alot of regs. playing at 100nl & 200nl online, many of whom are very good. BUT.. at these limits you will also get some really fishy players, especially on the weekends. Table selection is key imo.

[sos_egg_n]

Problem is players will not accept that they are poor at the game....Bankroll management is not there issue but there denial of lack of ability is.


i like to have enough cash for 50 sit n gos (1 table) if i lose around 20 (bearing in mind it will not be 20 str8 games lost but mayb over 100 + games)...i drop back down until i build up appropriate bankroll. if u go broke with a healthy bankroll uve either played games well over ur bankroll or u have played many games and just simply cant play.

I have never bothered but u should also keep a log showing how long u have played and work out ur hourly rate as u could move up a level and still be profiting but not profiting as much as u was at a lower stake.

Also i much prefer to multi table at lower rates ie instead of playing 100$ sng i would player 10 10$ as obviously if i was UNLUCKY (and it is unlucky god damn it : ) u can balance back out cheaper.


initially best is to start of low and use ur BANKROLL purely to find where u peak ie what type of game....how many players....blah blah blah.....from then on u cant go wrong if u consistently play where u were profiting the most


also i think cash games are the best the scenario's are more alike than in tourneys i still for the life of me struggle to know how u should rate ur tourney life in calculating pot odds.

Rgds

[eberetta1]

It's an easy decision for me. I stick to the 1c/2c tables until I have $100 in the bankroll. Then I allow myself to play 2c/4c or 2c/5c as long as I am not under $100.
I would not move up another level until I had $250 in the bankroll.

I do get frustrated moving up a level. I notice I do not go into enough hands at the 2c/5c level until I have $200 in my bankroll. Then I feel comfortable going in every blind. If I only have $100 to $175 I might not go in without a quality hand, and I have rolled my eyes many a time when I folded what woulda been a full house or trips on the flop but I was trying to save the cost of blinds and not playing that 3 7 hand for the 6th time.

There is a difference between freerolls and 1c/2c games. I think the difference between 1c/2c game and 2c/4c games has more of a learning curve for me.

[Poker Orifice]

It's an easy decision for me. I stick to the 1c/2c tables until I have $100 in the bankroll. Then I allow myself to play 2c/4c or 2c/5c as long as I am not under $100.
I would not move up another level until I had $250 in the bankroll.

I do get frustrated moving up a level. I notice I do not go into enough hands at the 2c/5c level until I have $200 in my bankroll. Then I feel comfortable going in every blind. If I only have $100 to $175 I might not go in without a quality hand, and I have rolled my eyes many a time when I folded what woulda been a full house or trips on the flop but I was trying to save the cost of blinds and not playing that 3 7 hand for the 6th time.

There is a difference between freerolls and 1c/2c games. I think the difference between 1c/2c game and 2c/4c games has more of a learning curve for me.

Let me see if I got this right..... when you're playing at a buyin level above your usual one you do not go in enough hands?? But if you rolled enough for it ($200) then you feel comfortable going in every blind?
DOes this ^ mean that you think (or like to) be defending the blinds all the time (or Alot)?? Why would you be wanting to play hands from the blinds?
Typically in cash game you want to be playing your hands from position (you want to have position on your opponents).... ie. you want to try to isolate the fish on the table so you would raise from the button to isolate the fish, hoping to play more hands vs. them while in position (<< this is just a rough idea). In 6max, you actually want to change the mindset to 'defend the button'.. (not the blinds).
Whether or not my hand in the blinds "wouldl've" hit the miracle flop or not is never my concern personally...... I'm basing my decision on the info. at the time,... ie. if the fold was right at the time.... it was right (just because the 63o, or T3s hits the monster flop.... oh well). Incessantly defending the blinds on cash tables is a huge spew imo .

[Limey777]

Perhaps players playing with scared money?

After studying I'd agree, it seem that the guys I'm talking about play extremely tight/passive when moving up.

Then I feel comfortable going in every blind.

Ebberetta1, I hope you just feel comfortable and don't actually do this!!!!

initially best is to start of low and use ur BANKROLL purely to find where u peak

I did that, and fell off the other side!!!!

[Peteyweestro]

The statement of the year "Scared money doesn't win", is true in every single form of gambling on gods green earth.Funny thing is that brave money can do good for a second or two, but will inevitably crash and burn also so a good rule of roll mgmt should be to play in a sort of middle ground, kinda like a grey area, nah mean

[JustClickinButtons]

1. Bad Bankroll Management

If a player moves up too soon, and isn't then willing to move down at a certain point, then they're very likely to bust with the following factors playing a role too.

2. What others said, "scared money never wins"

You're risking a lot more than you're used to and likely comfortable with when you move up and that's going to affect your play. It can also cause tilt a lot sooner when poker hands you the inevitable beating, but for double the usual amount.

3. People are better

Naturally as you move up in stakes people are better. It seems to me like there's a big jump from 2nl to 5nl, and then again from 25nl to 50nl. At 2nl you have the worst of the worst, this allows for some truly awful play, when you move up to 5nl, these people were generally winning at 2nl, so that cuts out a lot of the really bad players, and this jump is going to be less dramatic as you move up limits because that bottom end that is just awful and can't possibly beat any level stays at 2nl, and there's going to be a smaller gap between a winning 5nl player and a winning 10nl player. Then I think there's another big jump from 25nl to 50nl cuz that's the first level where you could feasibly make a living if you grinded your butt off, so there are quite a few people that are really putting in some time to get better.

cheers!