Regular MTT's vs Add on's and Rebuy's

[Poker Orifice]

I also heard he had a 'last longer' sidebet going in it.

[Poker Orifice]

Ah... it was "48" rebuys. Here's a quote from Daniel, re- wsop removing rebuy events from their schedule.

Rebuy tournaments have been left out of this year's World Series of Poker events. PokerListings gathered comments from Daniel 'KidPoker' Negreanu and it is interesting to hear them as he holds the record for having made 48 rebuys at the $1,000 event at the 2006 WSOP.
"I still hold the rebuy record and I think I also have second, third and fourth, but I was still all for getting rid of them this year and it wasn't just about saving me money. When you are giving away a World Series of Poker bracelet I think everyone should have an equal chance to win it, not just a chance based on how fat their wallets are."
Many other poker professionals agree with the removal of rebuys at the WSOP. Of course we all remember Layne Flack's comment on Doyle Brunson buying a bracelet, perhaps it was not the best way to express his thoughts on the matter, but we all understood what he was standing for. Annie Duke claims that participants agreeing to push in preflop during the rebuy period amounts to collusion. Negreanu disagrees with both points of view, but he is part of the WSOP players advisory committee which helps design the WSOP structure and there he stood for removing the rebuys from the events.
"In rebuys there is an inherent advantage for those who are willing to spend more. They are good for me, because I'm all too willing to spend, but I know it is an unfair advantage and I'd rather not have it. I've said this before: I am more than willing to put what's best for poker ahead of what's best for me." Negreanu said.

[Poker Orifice]

In 2008, Layne Flack used "22" re-buys in the PLO Event but the record is Negreanu's 48 rebuys (which this last source stated was in 2006).
sidenote - Phil Galfond's WSOP bracelet came in a rebuy.

[LCSelfMade]

I am playing a rebuy tournament later, I plan on never re buying in and coming up off aggressive players that you describe, hope I have a few at my table I can double up off of and still be in it after the hour and start taking people out.

[Poker Orifice]

I am playing a rebuy tournament later, I plan on never re buying in and coming up off aggressive players that you describe, hope I have a few at my table I can double up off of and still be in it after the hour and start taking people out.

"taking people out"...?? Is it a KO tourney too? I don't get it?

[FITEMAN]

I just returned to 4K after not having posted here in 2-3 years. I pretty much avoided all the forums since BF. But to get to the point, prior to BF, I used to be a poster on a 4K competitor where you often posted also. I always found your posts to be insightful and well thought out. We even had several convrsations which you probably dont remember. Anyway, I am glad to see that you post here also and I am glad to be back at 4K. And btw, GL in the RBs. Man I wish I lived in Canada and could still play on PS.

FITEMAN

[jolub]

I hate rebuys and add-ons and go out of my way to avoid them. However, with some freerolls I will rebuy and do an addon only because not many players do it and it give me an advantage.

[offrdmom]

That is so true jolub..if you can weed out the ones that can't rebuy you have a better chance of avoiding the ones that can and will bully you with any pair...R&A are not my favorite but when luck is with you it can be soooo sweet.....

[Poker Orifice]

I just returned to 4K after not having posted here in 2-3 years. I pretty much avoided all the forums since BF. But to get to the point, prior to BF, I used to be a poster on a 4K competitor where you often posted also. I always found your posts to be insightful and well thought out. We even had several convrsations which you probably dont remember. Anyway, I am glad to see that you post here also and I am glad to be back at 4K. And btw, GL in the RBs. Man I wish I lived in Canada and could still play on PS.

FITEMAN

I remember you well FITEMAN! You had some good results on Bodog.
Thanks for the comments.

[scrawnybob]

hi

I guess the upside of rebuys in generally it means the prize pool gets much more inflated than if it was a bigger buyin freezeout ...

and most of that extra money will come from "crazy gamblers" who dont want to bust out and go home (or hit the cash games)

however PO is also definately right - inflating the chips available on the table if your confident of getting them back is certainly a plan

I think if you plan is to try to play through the re-buy phase without re-buying or taking the addon - then rebuys are NOT the best place for you to be putting your bankroll

IMHO for live I either dont play rebuy or if I do I budget bare min of one rebuy + one addon

most players will take the addon (so you have to0 as well unless you are massively out in front and the extra buyin wont change your stack markedly)

you need to play rebuy phase with some ability to play back otherwise what are you going to do with say 1010 JJ or QQ when someone puts pressure on and you know you should call or push but feel you cant because your playing like its a freezeout but know they are playing it like its a rebuy

after all if your on a table of players who clearly have £200 in their rocket and its £30 rebuy then in their head they have and will pay with 5 rebuys and an addon mentality

that means you have to be prepared to look them up - hence the need for at least one rebuy but also you can look at it that THEY are bring YOU more money to the table - rather than YOU bring more money to the table that while you might ultimately still have your will also have paid for yourself too.

thats my take on in ... 1 rebuy + addon minimum and maybe 3 rebuy + addon max

cheers SB

ps. generally afaiks with live the averaged out rebuys in a game mostly works out at 3 rebuy + 1 add-on ... meaning maybe half of players have 1 rebuy and 1 add-on while the other half have say 4 rebuys and 1 add-on

you need to be in good shape to average at the end of the rebuy period to then effectively start a whole new game for the freezeout

personally I look at as two totally separate games ... the first 1 1/2hrs is soaking up all the free / silly money and surviving or taking advantage of the rebuys. The second is just playing a freezeout.

in some respects on a live game I think hell I would rather have paid £100 buyin and get on with a freezout and start/finish 2 hours earlier - but on the flip side the RB factor adds in SO SO much more dead money with alot of players effectively buying in for £200+ that providing I can get to freezeout with even an average stack effectively your buyin for £33+30+30 is getting you alot of extra value

pps. of the serial rebuyers from my live play and a rough guess I would reckon max of 33% of the serial rebuyers understand they are injecting chips in that they could build back ... the other 66% serial rebuyers were previously sat at the roulette tables pi**ing their cash away for the thrill (which is fair enough if they enjoy the buzz and can afford it)