I find 6 seater SNG a waste of time, as I make the money about the same amount as 10 seater tables. However you are spending the same ammount of money to win less!!
I have played a few 20 and 30 seaters and not done too bad, winning a few here and there. My question is, do you think this it is a better stratergy playing 20 or 30 seater games? They pay out to 4 players in a 20 seater and 5 players in 30 seaters on Titan. When you win you make a hell of a lot more. I think it is about 5 times your entry fee for a 10 seater, 10 times your entry fee for a 20 seater and 12 times your entry fee for a 30 seater. Not bad if you get there. I also think if you are gonna bust out in a 10 seater, you are gonna bust out in a 20 seater. If you don't, you usualy have a decent stack left to go for a win, or a cash.
I feel if you are a good player then 6max games (turbo's) are the way forward.
You can play more games - so you can win more!
ROI lower but hourly rate will be higher.
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I find 6 seater SNG a waste of time, as I make the money about the same amount as 10 seater tables. However you are spending the same ammount of money to win less!!
Yes, but with more players you have LESS chance of winning!
On this assumption it is best to play 1000 player MTTs because you will win about 250 x your stake!!
obviously the less players the more literal chance there is of winning but this assumes everyone is starting equally (which they do) but
I think maybe GT is getting at 30 max games being a better ROI because you get more time to increase your advantage
Im not explaining it well - but with a 10 seat sng you effectively "arrive" at the final table with everyone having equal stacks
that is highly unlikely to happen in a 30 or 45 seat game as you will have had more play to have a disproportionately big (or small) stack when you arrive at the "final table"
I think thats what GT was getting at - if not its certainly the conclusion Ive come to - I used to play alot of single table games - but AFAIKS the 30-45 seat SNG's are a good compromise between the single table and much larger MTT's
and I wouldnt be suprised if the 30-45 sng's work out to have a better ROI than single tables ... if you can arrive in the same place (number of players before the money) but with a higher % of the overall chips than 10%
and you finish in the money sufficently more for a higher net ROI ... you wont win as many 30-45 man games Aas single table but the payoff will be bigger ... therefore a higher ROI for 30-45 seat games.
cheers SB
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It should be a help for mainly short handed cash games but also 6 handed SNG's
personally I'm not a fan of turbo formats - but the principles of short handed play are the same - the turbos just being much more of a cr*p shoot
cheers scrawnybob
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I'm with you stix, turbo's have nothing to do with skill all a turbo will show is who caught good hands fast and who didn't. If i'm in the mood to play a sng and a 6-handed turbo is all I can find I may play it just for fun but if you don't hit a big hand early the your normally against a monster stack that did playing against a 3/2 to 1 chip disadvantge and hoping to double up soon before the blinds get you. Which does show some skill if you can come back to take down whoever hit that 1st big hand but really it's more luck of the draw that skill
Cheers for your input. I am not a fan of turbo's or 6 seater's, they just don't work for me. I am not saying they are wrong, but I do feel there is a greater luck element in them. I think I am going to have a month of playing 20 or 30 seater games and see how it goes.
Really?? You think turbo's are the places for good players? That's a new one. I'd love to hear some explanation.
I play SnGs alot (I need to do well because I only work part time and rely partly on my poker income to live) and favour turbos for the following reasons:
SnGs are all about ICM, and better players tend to play the high blind push/fold game far better than weaker ones (this is where most SnGs are won and lost), by playing turbo's we get to this part of the game far quicker hence giving a better player the opportunity to use push fold strategy sooner and far more.
I agree that ROI will be lower than in coventional game, however the KEY is hourly win rate.
e.g. If a good player plays 5 games (non turbo) an hour at 10% ROI (£50 buy in) then profit per hr will be £25.
If the same player plays 10 turbo games an hour at 6% ROI (same buy in) then profit per hr will be £30. Also rakeback/bonus points etc will be more playing turbos.
I can play up to 15 short handed turbo's an hour - rakeback is a massive part of my profit, so say I play £30 SnGs then Im generating £45 rake an hour, even at 30% rakeback (I can get more) thats £15 income per hour assuming I can at least break even playing.
Also I find that tilt is avoided better playing turbos, to sit at a table of 10 plyers for an hour, play perfect poker and then on the bubble see my AA cracked by 67s drives me mad - playing turbos this is part of the game and happens far more and because I am playing so many games I can cope with this better.
It should be a help for mainly short handed cash games but also 6 handed SNG's
personally I'm not a fan of turbo formats - but the principles of short handed play are the same - the turbos just being much more of a cr*p shoot
cheers scrawnybob
thanks for the very informative article bob..i prefer when it is short handed turbo espc if I dont have much time to play.I know its lot more based on luck and becomes like Bingo at times. short handed table strategy is one of the most intricate, fine learning which takes long time to master. I am just on my way and this article will really help me out.
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