Big Hands early

[madjek]

I hate getting a big hand early in a sit n go. What do you do with it. I got K K in bb with 4 limpers, no what. Blinds are so low that even with 4 limpers, a big raise doesn't really seem worth it. Not bad beat section so I won't go in detail about hand, but what's a good raise in level 1 when you have KK or AA. I don't want to scare everyone away, but I don't want 5 in the hand either. All right, I can't resist, I raised 6X BB got 2 callers, flop was 7 high I bet almost pot, both called, turn wasn't anything scarey, so I pushed, again both called A 7, A 10, idiots, of course one of the 2 remaining A's rivered. Guess there was really nothing else I could of did. Any suggestions for early level big hole cards, maybe I should of just bet turn big and kept enough in my stack to continue if an A rivered, any thought?

[Peteyweestro]

I hope one of our resident pro's checks this thread out because i have the same issues and it seems like whatever choice i make seems to be the wrong one lately ?

[PLAYFUL1]

suggestions for early level big hole cards, maybe I should of just bet turn big and kept enough in my stack to continue if an A rivered, any thought?

I believe you answered your own question here , leave enuff in your stack in case an ace does show up..now you know a lil mo aboot your opponents ..who r the chasers, and likes to play ace anythong...

[Dan_Brown_15]

I think especially early-on in the game you should set yourself the boundary of not continuation betting when there's two callers after the flop bet. Below a certain probability to win... even 90 percent, it's not worth the input due to the low necessity at this stage of the game. Like most wise plays it's a seemingly impossible fold to be made if they bet against you... Until you look at the whole picture; and unless someone's betting heavily against you you're safe to play on, so you have a backup.

[Poker Orifice]

I believe you answered your own question here , leave enuff in your stack in case an ace does show up..now you know a lil mo aboot your opponents ..who r the chasers, and likes to play ace anythong...

This ^ is a bad idea.
You want to get your money in good... you did... unlucky.. 'gg'.

In a micro buyin loose sng I don't mind at all having a Monster KK in BB.. it's when you are dealt it in UTG or EP... it can really suck.
Raise BIG.... if there's a raise & multiple callers I'll often just ship it pre.... you'll be amazed at the calls you'll get (they'll always assume.. "Oh.. he's got AK".. and will call off stacks with med. pp's... hands you would get zippo value from if you were to raise med. big... or zippo if you raise smaller... except when they'll be priced in to call set mining (if some call & it goes multiway)... & now you'll get zip when they're behind & usually get stackedd when they've flopped their set.

My answer... it depends upon what buyin, what site & what time of day & week. (on some tables, 3x +1bb for each limper.. & add another bb if you're out of position.. eg. 4 limpers you're in BB w KK.. you'd want to at least 8x it here). Don't raise small and risk playing a multiway pot out of position where you might not have much of a clue where you're at. You want to avoid tough spots & by not raising enough you may find yourself in one. So you lose value with the big pr if they all fold... oh well.. no biggy.. it's early levels & you're in great shape.

[Assistanc3]

This ^ is a bad idea.
You want to get your money in good... you did... unlucky.. 'gg'.

This ^ is bad thinking.

Why do people insist on saying that?
The game isn't about getting your money in good, that is why we bluff.

If your a good player and you believe you can out play with skill and math against the players at your table DONT RACE. How are you ever going to make a good fold if you don't give yourself the position to do so?

Sure it is nice to get off to a good start stacking up chips early in a tournament but you also need to find out where you are in a hand. Busting out with anything on the first level is short sighted.

Dan_Brown_15 "idea" is good because sometimes you have to slow down
if you wanna donk bet every street, your better off shoving pre-flop

no idea who wrote this for 4kingpoker but it makes sense
http://www.4kingpoker.com/article/9-...s_folding.html

Winning poker is not just about taking down the big pots and stealing the blinds. Winning at poker isn't about only playing when you hit premium hands.

Many players conveniently forget the big hands they lose or put it down to bad luck - and this is a huge hole in alot of players games - Losing big hands costs big cash.

[Poker Orifice]

This ^ is bad thinking.

Why do people insist on saying that?
The game isn't about getting your money in good, that is why we bluff.

If your a good player and you believe you can out play with skill and math against the players at your table DONT RACE. How are you ever going to make a good fold if you don't give yourself the position to do so?

Sure it is nice to get off to a good start stacking up chips early in a tournament but you also need to find out where you are in a hand. Busting out with anything on the first level is short sighted.

Umm.. did you read the orig. post? then the comment that I commented on? I believe they were suggesting to practise some kind of pot control.. to just check.. & then I guess check/fold the river if an Ace hits? WTF is that??? Sorry.. but that'd be the worst thing you could do in a STT/SNG (< it's a SNG/STT.. not a deepstacked tournament).

When is a monster overpr. vs. a couple of limpers a race when they're drawing to a few outs?

[Poker Orifice]

Who said that 'getting you money/chips in good' is anything about a 'race'?? Getting your money in good.. isn't referring to shipping the pile in hopes of winning a race.... we're talking about getting it in good & if you have an oppurtunity to do so.. then by all means you should be taking it.

[Poker Orifice]

I hate getting a big hand early in a sit n go. What do you do with it. I got K K in bb with 4 limpers, no what. Blinds are so low that even with 4 limpers, a big raise doesn't really seem worth it. Not bad beat section so I won't go in detail about hand, but what's a good raise in level 1 when you have KK or AA. I don't want to scare everyone away, but I don't want 5 in the hand either. All right, I can't resist, I raised 6X BB got 2 callers, flop was 7 high I bet almost pot, both called, turn wasn't anything scarey, so I pushed, again both called A 7, A 10, idiots, of course one of the 2 remaining A's rivered. Guess there was really nothing else I could of did. Any suggestions for early level big hole cards, maybe I should of just bet turn big and kept enough in my stack to continue if an A rivered, any thought?

He raised 6x.. got two callers out of 4limpers......there's what.. ~22 or 23bb's in the pot?.. he fires out a near pot-sized bet on the flop (guessing over 500.. into 650-690) & there's now what.. ~2,100 in the pot & he has 1/2 stack left... about a 1/3 pot shove left in his stack. Should he just CHECK the turn?????? THink about it???
Surely you've misread the post because generally speaking I agree with what you write.. but to suggest that he not get his chips in here..... umm.. sorry but I think that's terrible.

[Assistanc3]

my bad, sorry PO I was thinking MTT

ship it
your either drawing dead or at least 64% fav on the turn

(personally I would have shipped it pre-flop)