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QQ overpair fold correct?
Table : Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00)
I had QQ
Someone raised preflop $2
I reraise $5
Flop : 8 9 J
I bet $5
the other player goes all in ($30)
I fold
Is this a wise fold? Should I have played it another way? I did not know anything about this guy, and that tends to mean he is good, one notice mostly the useless plays.
me personally would have called that unless there was a flush on the flop because he most likely had aj but u might of had a read on him to influence your decision
there are players that throw loads of cash at wat they think is top pair but 30$ would signal danger to me, specially after been reraised, I would hav put him on 10 Q or 7 10 and at the least may have hit 2 pair and didnt want any more cards drawn out on the board.
how many times have ya had an over pair in ya pocket only to say to yourself I bet he has got such and such and still put your chips in and be proven right they had wat you thought they had, I find that my first thought at wat they have is correct a lot of the time. I would hav folded and waited to beat up on him with the 30$ i saved by folding wat looked to be a winning hand but probably wasnt.
been a long night so if ya can understand anything i hav typed your a genius.
touch pssd off as well tonight, AA got busted 4 times at cake FFS, my full house got beat and flopped a juicy straight that got rivered after pushing hard with it. I had J 10 ..flop was KQ9 and river was a 10 and just to prove wat i was saying about knowing wat the other has got, I knew he had AJ as soon as i seen the 10, lol was 2 late my damn chips were in.
Fold equity is important, I definitely raised more than $ 5 if someone calls you can assume he has jk, qk, 10j, etc. Then you did it right to fold.
But is depends on a lot of different aspects, how did he play before this hand, what is this stack size, why is he going all inn.
The fact that he is going all inn, could be he has toppair, he don't want any callers. He could bluff, had a pin up, or already have the nuts, in this case the straight. But if i had the straight on the flop, i would just check, let you bet, a reraise and you go all inn, or you call, and then the next hand is all inn.
Personally i had raised more pre-flop, and assuming he was looking for the straight, not have him, Would call.
I don't know the player you are up against. I think the chances where better he had something you domitated. Personally I think you can't throw every hand away just because there are a few hands that could beat you.
I can see why you folded and I think you were probably right to
I would guess he had KK AA or 10 Q suited - not everyone rasies massively on AA KK but also possible he called on suited high cards and hit the straight on the flop
OK so he may have had nothing and you folded the best hand but I think you played the hand very sensibly - alot of the time players (including me) would call this and get fried
Respect to you making a big laydown
Balancing the chances of him having trips (small raise on 88 99 JJ would be strong poss) + better overpair AA KK and not wanting to loose everyone + definate 10 Q suited small raise and hitting flop
maybe he had AK in which case you had him - without a read on him and a bit of time playing him I think you did the right thing
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I can see why you folded and I think you were probably right to
I would guess he had KK AA or 10 Q suited - not everyone rasies massively on AA KK but also possible he called on suited high cards and hit the straight on the flop
OK so he may have had nothing and you folded the best hand but I think you played the hand very sensibly - alot of the time players (including me) would call this and get fried
Respect to you making a big laydown
Balancing the chances of him having trips (small raise on 88 99 JJ would be strong poss) + better overpair AA KK and not wanting to loose everyone + definate 10 Q suited small raise and hitting flop
maybe he had AK in which case you had him - without a read on him and a bit of time playing him I think you did the right thing
cheers scrawnybob - webmaster
I think the fold was a bit conservative, I think if you called him he might have just checked in down unless he hit the trips, it is hard to figure out you position at the table I am assuming you have position and he check raised you, trying to steal the pot, if you hit the straight on the flop you would have checked, he would have just called too, so you may have been up against an over pair but I think it was just a crazy bluff
probably i would have called , you had an overpair, he didnīt bet as someone that has a straight rigth after the flop (i that case I think he would have called). probably it was a bluff or he had something like AJ or KJ
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