Short stack poker

jctm1988 · #1 (**permalink**) 02-24-2008, 07:53 PM

ye we all know what your going to say , i hate being the short stack , but here is some advice for you all :

If you still have 500 chips left and the rest has 1400 + 1500 and one big stack of 4300 and one has 900 and it's a 9 handed game.

They will probally all fold unless they got a big hand, knowing you can go loose with any a x , im suggesting raising allot of pots , unless allot of people have called from the start , thats why you got act last of the group usually,

And atleast raise it 110 , if one reraise throw your hand away if you know your beat , dont go ohhh and then call .. just hold on .

why do i had to listen to this, i played like he said and lost if faster instead of waiting for prim hands like jj qq kk aa , ak aq aj , believe me for you get those hands and have 390 left you will be beat by almost any hand that has 35 % chance of winning ... they dont need allot of pot odds to win then if you understand that .

jeffsbabe · #2 (**permalink**) 02-24-2008, 10:51 PM

mmmm...I guess that's one strategy. Not the one I use though I'll give it some thought. There is always a point at which I reach an"all in or fold" strategy. Ofcourse, it all comes down to the cards. The blinds would have to be fairly small for the "raise" thing to work or you would be busted too soon.

KidJoker666 · #3 (**permalink**) 02-27-2008, 05:20 AM

Uh...look this is my first "quality" post on this sight and it sucks that I have to start it off like this.

I completely disagree with your strategy for playing the short stack! Are you serious!? The only way that this "might" work is if the blinds are something like 5/10, otherwise its a really bad strategy. You're supposed to guard your chips with your life when your shortstacked, not try to intimidate a table with larger stacks than yours by randomly throwing out bets.

Say you raise to 110 with a medium hand like 10 9 suited. That's more than one fifth of your stack in the pot already and you haven't even seen a flop yet. Not to mention, what if you get called and the flop comes down A 7 3 no clubs. What do you plan on doing then? Just laying down a fifth of your stack to any raise? Or bluffing at it hoping and praying that your opponent has hit air on the flop? Why would you want to risk so many of your chips by leading out all the time and then folding to any raise?

Just because you're in position doesn't give you the right to steal pots all the time with trashy hands, especially when you're shortstacked! How can you say, "Raise to 110, everybody will usually fold"?. What do you mean by "everybody". "Everybody" plays different. One guy might just call you with a monster hand, another might put you all in with a trashy hand, some other guy might call with absolute trash and hope to hit the flop against the short stack, another guy might raise the minumim with aces. How can you make such a broad generalisation? You say they know you can "go loose with any ace", so whats your point? Does that automacially mean they wont raise YOU with any ace??? Or any King??? Or any pair??????Or any two cards????

On the short stack you're supposed to wait for a hand that can potentially double you up. That doesn't necasarily mean a big hand like aces or kings. It can be something like Ace 9 suited or K J. You can limp with a hand like that or raise with a pocket pair, ready to shove at a re-raise. Once you hit the flop with a mediam hand you've got to try and double up. If you have a big draw on the board that is where you can start playing a bit more aggresively and trying to take down a pot with a semi bluff, not preflop with a table full of much bigger stacks! If you fold and fold and fold and you lose anyway, then you lose! There's nothing you can do about it. It just wasn't your day. That's poker. Its like getting knocked out of a tourney with a set over set situation. Its out of your contol.

The strategy that you described is better suited for when you're on the big stack! Preferably when you have twice the amount of chips as the average, and even then its risky. For the shortstacked game, its horrible and if you're planning on playing like that I really hope i get to sit at your table so I can knock you out and take a good number of chips for myself.

GypsyTea · #4 (**permalink**) 02-27-2008, 10:05 AM

I have to say with out being seen as sycophantic, that I agree with kidjoker in this matter.

Gypsy

moonshoon · #5 (**permalink**) 02-28-2008, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GypsyTea

I have to say with out being seen as sycophantic, that I agree with kidjoker in this matter.

Gypsy

Hahaha, same.

jctm1988 · #6 (**permalink**) 02-29-2008, 03:14 PM

To make my statement .
Well, to be honest go ahead and try what the kid above said, lol, i had 4.000 chips at a 3.30 buy in table , 90 people, final table, i had some quite bad beats, then i started using my style i had written here, while blinds where 1and 2 thousand, i started shoving after most folded and picked up the pot 3x giving me 13.000 then i got a primium hand K

K

i limped in , what usually when i do i fold after a good raise, i was first to act !, so 1 guy raised 2 called him , and i shove 7.000 in , 1 calls , flop comes K

3

A

, i think oh oh , if he has aces im gone, so i check, and he puts me all in for the rest of my 6 thousand, i decide to call to see A

Q

suited im go

WAUW he has a draw on me !

7

Turn i SCREEAAMMM AHHHH, 3

WOOOT , giving me the chip lead, and eventually won the tournament at full tilt poker .

So ye you wait for your hands when your short stacked .. good id

TheAAce · #7 (**permalink**) 02-29-2008, 03:28 PM

kidjoker said it best, this is a horrible strategy, in my opinion, i love being short stacked because my game becomes more solid, and less reckless as he is saying in the original post

jacks_off4me · #8 (**permalink**) 02-29-2008, 03:38 PM

hi,

well my old strategy was exActly this- placing at the money over the backs of the big stacks who are ready to gamble in order to become chipleaders etc. my first goal was to place in the money (its obvious i needed to make a bankroll).

today i play a little different. today i;m willing to play more agressively when the whole table's tighting up, just before the cash. today i'm willing to gamble and even lose just before the bubble, in order to have a better chance of winning the tournament. guess i can say- this is what my PERSONAL experience has led me to... but again, if youre tigher with your bankroll- its better to place in the money if you wont get your big pair before that.

YoungGunKid · #9 (**permalink**) 02-29-2008, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jacks_off4me

hi,

well my old strategy was exActly this- placing at the money over the backs of the big stacks who are ready to gamble in order to become chipleaders etc. my first goal was to place in the money (its obvious i needed to make a bankroll).

today i play a little different. today i;m willing to play more agressively when the whole table's tighting up, just before the cash. today i'm willing to gamble and even lose just before the bubble, in order to have a better chance of winning the tournament. guess i can say- this is what my PERSONAL experience has led me to... but again, if youre tigher with your bankroll- its better to place in the money if you wont get your big pair before that.

I agree with Jacks but...When Im shortstacked alot goes into deciding how i will play it.Hows my table image,just how shortstacked am I?Is the table being tight or loose.Are close to or on the bubble?Also positioning and the reads I have on other players at my table and the people in each hand with me and there stack sizes.Not too be too cliche but most poker is situational never play the shortstack the EXACT same way everytime as this can crush you if you ever play the same people consistently online or live